Carmen Sulaiman, Arab Idol Winner
Egyptian contestant Carmen Sulaiman has won the title of Arab Idol.
The Finale has just ended and she won most votes leaving Moroccan finalist Dunia Batma in second place.
The Finale was a blast, a night to remember!
The guest was Tunisian singer Latifa.
But what made the night unforgettable, was the performances of both Ragheb Alamah and Ahlam with the finalists and alone.
Congratulations to Carmen and Dunia ... They both deserve to be winners.
What do you think of the result? Is it Fair?
Does Carmen deserve the title more than Dunia?
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Hello Sally what make you think racism ?
from the beggining i knew Carmen was winning !
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i don't understand that Carmen is the winner? Dounia is so much better, she never was is in the risk zone. I think it'ts something political i don't trust arab votes...and marocan and racism? What are you talking about? What a nonsens...i'am not going further into it
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I voted so many times yesterday and I never got any confirmation messages, so were many Moroccans (in forums, and facebook and youtubes, they all say that they didn't get their confirmation messages). Dounia's voting line was frozen.. how can you explain that she had always the biggest amount of votes all along the show and now that its the final she is the second?? When she has the support of whole North Africa and also from many Gulf countries? It's fishy... I am not a bad loser, but it's real... how can you explain that "Arabs Got Talent", "Star Academy" and "Arab Idol" made win Egyptians the same year... I don't understand.. Moroccans should definetly stop taking part of these stupid shows
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Why you are talking about racism and politic i dont understand what is the relation between the both mentioned above and a competion that shows "ma7boob el 3arab", this is the reason that we arab will always be very far behind, and it's a big shame to say that the arabs votes are fake, and i think that if there is any kind of racism or anything else dounia will never reach the final, right? Simply the best won.
I was always encouraging karmen and i am great fan of of her and if everybody was hearing her singing with their hearts than they will know that she is the best and she deserves to win, i have nothing against dounia i like her voice so much but she is not able to reach the heart and im not the only one thinking that it was mentioned many times in the arab idol program by the professionals and guests.
Congratulation karmen you really deserve the arab idol title and all the best for the future.
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Why you are talking about racism and politic i dont understand what is the relation between the both mentioned above and a competion that shows "ma7boob el 3arab", this is the reason that we arab will always be very far behind, and it's a big shame to say that the arabs votes are fake, and i think that if there is any kind of racism or anything else dounia will never reach the final, right? Simply the best won.
I was always encouraging karmen and i am great fan of of her and if everybody was hearing her singing with their hearts than they will know that she is the best and she deserves to win, i have nothing against dounia i like her voice so much but she is not able to reach the heart and im not the only one thinking that it was mentioned many times in the arab idol program by the professionals and guests.
Congratulation karmen you really deserve the arab idol title and all the best for the future.
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Smahliya habibti, but you are saying BS... Dounia made Ahlam cried by the only strenght of her voice and all the jury members and all the guests were praising her. This is a travesty, Moroccan votes couldnt reach the servor, because I (and so many people witnessed it) didn't receive the reception confirmation of their votings.. i voted for her since the first prime and I always got my message's confirmation. This time I received only two while I voted over 15 times. So where my friends.. yes it's all about politic and Egypt, and you guys should know that after the soccer game.. i am pretty sure that if Dounia had won, she would have been trashed by Egyptian medias... and if you followed the different shows, its rare that the best performer won. I am not worried about Dounia, time will show who was meant to be the real Arab Idol. Dounia lost because they froze her voting line
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Pls keep the political issues alone, dont interfer Egypt and Morocco in between this was a pure contest between Dunia and Carmen regardless the nationality (not between Morocco and Egypt), keep the racism apart and talk professionally, all gulf people were voiting for Dunia and if the freeze is real why they managed to vote and why everybody else managed to vote and kept her safe during the whole steps without reaching the danger zone.
I dont need to talk about Ahlam because she was not professional at all from the very beginning and i can quote what she said in many ocassions! (judges cant ask their fans to vote for one of the contestants and she should be fair with all regardless the likings or prefer), I was talking about Nancy's comment to Dunia and also Ragheb in many ocassions. Dont push it and keep it as a normal contest. Take it easy, the winner is arab regardless the nationality.
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Tout est monsonge, comment peut on être sûr que c'est le public qui choisit, et ce n'est pas le plus important .... car quand Dieu nous demondera comment on a gagné notre argent, que va-t-on répondre. On dort encore ... il faut se réveiller ..
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Everything is lie, how can we be sure that it is the public who chooses, and this is not the most important thing.... Because when God ask us how we won our money, what will we say? We overslept we must wake up...
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what a shame! COME ON donia is much better then carmen! I have nothing against carmen but donia earned 100 more than her! why should the Arabs always vote for the person who does not deserve? Why should always the best lose? Always!! I got chills when donia sang to om kalthoum! her voice is a thousand times better than most Arab artists, certainly not the right choice! There are many artists who have as carmens voice, but donias voice is special!
anyway we cant do anything now! mabrouk carmen!
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Raghab Alama said at the final that he would give the title to Dounia right away. And yes nationality is important, else they wouldn't bother to always say the nationality each time they perform. The votes got frozen during the final only. They wanted to have Carmen win... Nancy was giving advice to Dounia but look at her face when Dounia sung "Set el Habayeb", she was amazed. I am pissed because Dounia should have won the title, she had a huge support from all over the Arab world and specially from North Africa, a lot of Arabic artist from Tunisia wrote on their twitter page to vote for Dounia. Even Tunisian television Nesma offered free texts for voting and they were there to cover when she was back home for the weekend... it's a big travesty, end of the story
Pls keep the political issues alone, dont interfer Egypt and Morocco in between this was a pure contest between Dunia and Carmen regardless the nationality (not between Morocco and Egypt), keep the racism apart and talk professionally, all gulf people were voiting for Dunia and if the freeze is real why they managed to vote and why everybody else managed to vote and kept her safe during the whole steps without reaching the danger zone.
I dont need to talk about Ahlam because she was not professional at all from the very beginning and i can quote what she said in many ocassions! (judges cant ask their fans to vote for one of the contestants and she should be fair with all regardless the likings or prefer), I was talking about Nancy's comment to Dunia and also Ragheb in many ocassions. Dont push it and keep it as a normal contest. Take it easy, the winner is arab regardless the nationality.
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Ma fi arab idol gher yousef:)! 3anjad! .. Kello maskhara
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Why life is always unfair
Why should always the best lose ?
It makes me sick to see what is happening
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ragheb a dit ``amirat arab idol``, hassan a dit que dounia a une voix sublime, najwa karam ``une voix rare rare, rare...`` et ahlam ``a pleure + qune fois et a eu les larmes aux yeux chq fois que dounia chante``. et c est vrai donia na pas ete ds la ``zone risk`` et tjrs le vote + que carmen. et c est vrai que la ligne du vote etait bloquee. jnai rien contre carmen, js egyptienne, vis a paris, sa voix est douce mais rien de magique mais dounia est fabuleuse, voix unique. dounia tu es la gagnante et au nom des egyptiens qui vous ont soutenue a paris... vraiment du fond du coeur on est desole pour ce complot.
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hi to khadija maghribiya, iam am morocan and i love carmen, she is so talented, gifted young lady , incredible voice, and she deserve the title arab adol, why all this drama, they are both talented but obviously carmen won because she has more votes, dont be a sore loser, carmen is crazy talented, she is the voice, dont criticizes and say politic or bs, how do you know moroco and gulf voted for her, how do you know all khaliz voted for her, you dont know, they both have fans from all over arab country, so dont be a sore loser and stop criticizing carmen, she is an angel , just 17 year old with a huge stunning voice, please people stop being annoying and accept the rule of a competition, its always 1 winner, its life, iam morrocan and love donya voice but i prefer carmen, its my taste, go carmen go.
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Carmen has a beautiful soft yet common type of voice, but often has to take a breath whilst singing. Yes, she deserved to get far in the competition... but in my opinion and all comments I have been reading through out the competition, Dounia has a stronger voice, stronger presence yet humble attitude and lots of charisma.
Dounia's vocal abilities according to all judges (not to me) and the general public are very strong and UNIQUE. Now statistically speaking with 80 million Egyptians and other voters form the Arab world Carmen was likely going to win... Well done to her... but what matters here, is who has a real taste for classic Arabic songs and can master singing in all other dialects! we know the answer. Watch it, Dounia will have a long lasting career Insha Allah like Asmaa El Mnawar, and will shine and mature very nicely in her role... and not vanish amongst the 100s of commercial money making singers of hichik bichik....Dounia, YOU, not getting the title is probably in your favour because you fans will support you even more in the future. I voted, 20 times from 2 phones from Dubai, received 7 confirmations!! Perhaps the lines were engaged!? not sure.
On another note and not referring to show on this line, as for people who think that there is no racism! You must be truly kidding…. If you are from North Africa, you must know that most non North Africans (Arabs), have very little respect for North Africans (our women and men), some don't even consider us as Arabs… which is hilarious and most know very little about the amazing history and heritage of our countries, except Cousscous and Black Maggie…. For your information, extremely rare to hear Arabs praise other Arabs. Soooo sad.
Of course there are some intellectual and culturally open people who would go beyond this and love an appreciate everything and everyone- God Bless Them.I hope we can reach objectiveness one day and real solidarity.
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"Sally" above was using word "racism" in a very loose way, as many teenagers do it - but - she did not mean it ! She was in revolt against the - discrimation - that is what she meant ! And she is right, because in all these music competitions in the last several years the maghreb al arabi has been pushed aside not only once ! Financially they make a large contribution to these shows, always have the best candidates, and it is not strange the people are not happy with the outcomes. The right thing for the maghreb would be not to vote anymore at all - that is the most efficient way to hurt the producers of these programs.
@ maya from algeria
Apparently you have not watched many of these shows, or just like to see the happy outcome (for you) as the only right thing that could happen. Are you thinking anything at all when you say "this was a pure contest between Dunia and Carmen" or "Simply the best won" ?? Really ?! How pure it can be when you have an international show and the voting crowd from different countries - with different population sizes, standards of living, and the levels of the nationalistic brainwashing. The nationality is the key ! For you the winning in these circumstances is the proof of being the best !? Contrary to what you want to belive politics has a lot to do with who is anounced the winner, besides the business interests. The show producer just has to tell you who is the winner and that's it ! You can take it or not. In your case you are very happy to take it, because this is what you wanted. However there are many people who have noticed irregularities, and they are questioning the validity of the voting result.
@ KhadijaMaghribiya
I am really sorry for this slightly dirty outcome. Considering the level of your enthusiasm I was trying on the last prime page to hint on the MBC possibly having other way of thinking, but, as you said, you kept on spending ... I have friends who were in a similar situation after Basma was eased out in the starac-6 final You're right about the nationality ! I especially agree with your comment regarding the Egyptian media ! True, if Dunia had won they would have torn her to pieces, and there would have been hindreds of made-up stories about her private life and how bad and undeserving of the title she is !
@ iraqigirl
@ souThis is what I have been saying all along ! Carmen is a nice teenager, and I am sure a good person, but singing is all about the voice, and hearing her singing does not make you stop what you are doing - it is just an average voice type with nothing individual about it ! I can pay attention to her, but after a while I forget to listen. Her voice is lost in the sea of the similar voices ! When I listen to an other Egyptian talent, like Nesma or Shahinaz, my attention is on them, and that can go on for hours - with Carmen, these three songs in the final were more than enough ! With such a voice she will not go fast anywhere after this show. She may even finish in the movies, as pretty face and a pleasant voice, or on the TV ..
It is good this lame show is finally over ! I am sorry for the injustice done to Dunia, but we hope she will go on strong regardless. The viewers must go on too ! In just two weeks the new starac season is beginning and I am glad it is going to happen again ! The starac - the best music show in the arab world is coming !!!!!!
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Carmen doesn't deserve to win because dounia should have won but the froze her line up and Carmen has an OK voice but I would never want to listen to it in a car her voice is lame and boring I'm never downloading any of her songs ever she sucks. And why didn't her line freeze only dounias did. Not suspicious at all. Dounias gonna be a star no matter what she dosnt need to win Arab idol to became a star. Unfortunately Carmen does because she sucks her voice bothers me and puts me to sleep I can't listen to one full song thT she sings with out getting bored. I think they should do a revote to see who really deserves to win
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Congratulatiooooooooooooon Carmen , proud to be egyptian again and forever , I don't know why you hate the egyptian we didn't anything wrong to you in morocco , and for algeria and Tunisia we apologized for what happened and they understood what we were suffering before our revolution,,,, but now we won't accept anyone talk badly about us , and what you do now it is useless IT 's Carmen who won so get used to it ,, Congratulation Egyptttttttttttttt <3
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I'm glad dounia didn't win win because Carmen's friends and family would kill dounia because Egyptians think there something big. Egyptians should stop showing off and thinking there better then every. Fucking stupid lying Egyptians.
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@ Dalia
Please DO NOT put words into our mouths.. who says we hate Egyptians????? that conclusion is yours ONLY & STRICTLY? and the revolution!! Wooow what else??
During the initial auditions, I really liked some of the Tunisian girls and even Carmen a lot. At the time they sang what they could sing best. But as I saw them perform many other songs, I couldn't t get enough of Dounia's voice and her constant progress…. Don't just assume that we hate Egyptians and we have no sense of fairness.
We don t have to get used to anything, because this is just the beginning and the stronger will last longer and will be loved by all, not one single population…….Who ever that is!!! Think LONG TERM….!
NAWAL
Very well written Macha Allah, you got it all right. This is a tiny demonstration of what Media does to THE LITTLE BRAINS...... and how people are easily moved and ready to hate each other ..... in what can be a simple debate about voices "like or don't like".... this is not religious, not political, and certainly not revolution related Miss Dalia.........Obviously cannot know what went wrong with votes. And again not referring to this particular (SHOW) but in general: financially which audience do you want to keep happy!? The largest one of course….makes sense
We should still participate because it's give us the exposure, which can lead the young artists somewhere, sometimes better than the DEMOGRAPHICS winners, as I call them :)
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Im not an arab and i dont understand most of the (arab) language as well though Im working in an arab country. For curiousity I had watched arab idol since its top 10 onwards and was fascinated with the voice of both Dounia and Carmen. While watching it every Friday, I began to appreciate Dounia for the tone of her singing as well as Carmen, though i believe Dounia is better. However during the finals last week I was impressed on Carmen performance, how she rose herself to every songs she sangs was impressive. Yet Dounia was good as well but Carmen gave a performance of her life. According to an Arab colleague the second song of Carmen was difficult to sing but she had delivered it great. This probably was the reason why Carmen got the title. She had endeavor more and work hard for it most especially during the finals. But I like Dounia too.. I think Carmen gave her heart to every song she sang and she's more appealing than Dounia.. To be a star you must be a whole package, talent plus beauty. Yet let me emphasize that I like Dounia too, she's also talented. Both can be an arab idol, no question about it.
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Carmen don't deserve to win at all. Yeah shure, she have a great voice, but I can tell you that no one will remember this girl after 1 year. Dunia however is a star. And I'm shure she will become big after this show.
In every performance Dunia gave her heart. Dunia is someone you dont gonna forget. Carmen however is boring . I littary felt a slep when i heard her ...
Arab Idol belong to Dunia- not Carmen. But i'm shure there is a dirty game behind this.
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I dont get why people love to argue. Dounia's voice is fantastic and carmen's voice is just as good. They sound so amazing when they sing and it came to the point where it didn't matter who won so there is no reason to get annoyed.
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Okay I have nothing against Carmen right, she actually does have an amazing voice, But i still believe that Dounia had a much more Stronger voice to be honest. Also i do agree that it has got something to do with race, beacuse i've relaised recently that many arabs do dislike Moroccans, why? God knows. But it no longer matters now beacuses whats done is done and im SURE that dounia will get definatley get a signed contract with someone and reach somewhere far in life. #TeamMorocco #TeamDounia
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Nothing against Carmen ofcourse but against injustice yes, injustice hurts..
Anyway music is just music, and after all .. is the money earned from music Halal ?
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Bwahaha..I am not Arab. But I saw the finals last night. Why your topics are politics and Blah..blah..and Server.That was a talent show. Carmen have charm and talent in which she deliver and connect to the audience.That was fair indeed.
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how can it happen that dounia who has neer been in danger and who alwys has a higher vote at the end of the show wlill have less votes dan carmen hoe has been 3 times in danger. it is no longuer logical. by the way i am not moroccan and not arab. according to me the judges are not entiteled to be as such. i noticed from the very beginning that they are in carmen side. they never make bad remarks about her. this is also not logical. if very great artists are not perfetct how can a beginner joung girl be perfect. i heard saying in some of the comments that the star should be beautiful. first i see dounia as a beautiful, elegant, classical, disciplined, thrue star. secondly,
oum koulthoum was no longuer beautiful. sorrry for saying this. i have a lot to say but i see that really a dirty plot.
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Hey Meryem,
Are you really Moroccan? hehe
Can you answer this? tikchbila??????
haaahahaha-
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دنيا بطمة - المغرب
47% (96974 votes)
دنيا بطمة - المغرب
47% (96974 votes)
دنيا بطمة - المغرب
47% (96974 votes)
كارمن سليمان- مصر
7% (15070 votes)
فضيحة ام بي سي يكشفها زوج احلام على التويتر
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
كان قبل اعلان النتيجة ارتباك واضح في المجموعة بعد ان علموا بالتسريب,وهذا تبين في احد البرامج في بانورانا اف ام,قرروا التغيير حفاظا للمصداقية
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
ادارة ام بي سي اضطرت لتغيير النتيجة سريعاً , لتثبت عدم صحة التسريب الذي حصل قبل اعلان النتيجة , انتهى .
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
تابعوا الان الملكة احلام تغني مع صاحبة لقب اراب ايدول دنيا بطمة . انتهى
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
رسمياً : الفائزة بلقب اراب ايدول للموسم الأول هي المغربية دنيا بطمة . انتهى
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
اخر الاخبار من غرفة التحكم ومركز الاستقبال في مركز بث ام بي سي في دبي تشير الى تقدم المشتركة دنيا بطمة . انتهى
ريدان فلمبان دنيا الحمد لله انتي فزتي بحب الناس يس ابغي اقول المغرب وكل مغربي مو بس مقاطعة قنوات mbc وحتى بيبيسي وخلو قلوبكم على بعض في كل مكان وانتي يادنيا بس قولي حسبي الله ونعم وكيلthis is the truth the husband of ahlam even said that
sorry its in arabic can anyone translate it to english fot the others ,, thamk you
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دنيا بطمة - المغرب
47% (96974 votes)
دنيا بطمة - المغرب
47% (96974 votes)
دنيا بطمة - المغرب
47% (96974 votes)
كارمن سليمان- مصر
7% (15070 votes)
فضيحة ام بي سي يكشفها زوج احلام على التويتر
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
كان قبل اعلان النتيجة ارتباك واضح في المجموعة بعد ان علموا بالتسريب,وهذا تبين في احد البرامج في بانورانا اف ام,قرروا التغيير حفاظا للمصداقية
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
ادارة ام بي سي اضطرت لتغيير النتيجة سريعاً , لتثبت عدم صحة التسريب الذي حصل قبل اعلان النتيجة , انتهى .
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
تابعوا الان الملكة احلام تغني مع صاحبة لقب اراب ايدول دنيا بطمة . انتهى
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
رسمياً : الفائزة بلقب اراب ايدول للموسم الأول هي المغربية دنيا بطمة . انتهى
مبارك الهاجري @mhajri120
اخر الاخبار من غرفة التحكم ومركز الاستقبال في مركز بث ام بي سي في دبي تشير الى تقدم المشتركة دنيا بطمة . انتهى
ريدان فلمبان دنيا الحمد لله انتي فزتي بحب الناس يس ابغي اقول المغرب وكل مغربي مو بس مقاطعة قنوات mbc وحتى بيبيسي وخلو قلوبكم على بعض في كل مكان وانتي يادنيا بس قولي حسبي الله ونعم وكيلthis is the truth the husband of ahlam even said that
sorry its in arabic can anyone translate it to english fot the others ,, thank you
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There is probably a game they froze dounias line so no one can vote for her. Carmen does make u fall asleep but dounia has something in her voice that makes u wanna listen to her not like Carmen I think there should be a revote to see who deserves it more plus dounia never mad it to the risk zone she was always safe that clearly says she's better
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I supported carmen all the way because she truly deserves it, she got to my heart and to everyone's heart. Rageb Alama voted for Carmen by the way and so did Elissa and many other artists.
Anyways if someone wants to complain then complain to mbc, this show was in lebanon. So keep carmen and egypt out of this. Carmen won fairly and she won the hearts of many people
Congratulations!
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Voilà pourquoi nous les arabes traineront toujours le pas pendant que les autres avancent!!! Si vous avez la certitude que le vote est truqué comme vous le prétendez chaque fois qu'une candidate marocaine est impliquée pourquoi vous continuez à voter aussi farouchement pour ensuite crier au scandale chaque fois que vous en avez l'occasion?? C'est la schizophrénie quoi. Apprenez à accepter la défaite et cessez de suggérer mille et une raisons pour expliquer le sort de Dounia. Je vous rappelle que l'émission s'appelle l'idole des arabes. Ne sous-estimez pas le vote des égyptiens et du reste du monde arabe. Sinon Carmen était bien méritante du titre.
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Comment tu explique que Dounia a toujours eu les meilleures scores au votes durant toute la saison (parmis des votants tunisiens, jordaniens, saoudiens, etc) et que comme par hasard lors de la finale c'est l'égyptienne qui remporte le trophée alors que ses votes ont été bas DEUX SEMAINES DE SUITE? Comment tu explique que partout dans les forums, tu vois des marocains dirent qu'ils n'ont pas recu leurs accusés de receptions quand ils envoyaient les votes lors de la finale? J'ai recu 2 accusés de receptions alors que j'ai voté plus de quinze fois. Et j'ai recu quelques accusés de receptions le lendemain (et encore je les ai pas tous recu). Beaucoup de votants ont eu le même probleme. On dis pas toujours que les votes sont truqués, les candidats marocains sont pas toujours méritant de la victoire finale, y'a eu des candidates marocaines même médiocre ou sans plus... mais la je suis désolée mais c'est assez évident. Dounia, non seulement a la plus belle voix, mais en plus elle excelle dans des répertoires vraiment variés et difficile tandis que Carmen ne sait chanter qu'égyptien (et meme quand elle chante en arabe du golfe, c'est sans plus). Donc nous traite pas de schizophrene, ils ont bloquer sa ligne de votes, car ils savent trés bien que si on devais se baser sur les votes, Dounia gagnait haut la main !
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C'est devenu une pratique courante depuis quelques temps qu'après chaque défaite d'une candidate marocaine on a droit au même scénario de fanatiques fervents qui vont un peu partout dans les forums exprimer leur mécontentement et vivement critiquer le programme pour le manque de transparence du processus de vote et autres. C'est pas un peu exagéré! Tes arguments sont peu convaincants tant que tu aurais pas vérifier si le même phénomène s'est produit du côté des fans de Carmen. Comment tu peux savoir qu'ils n'ont pas eu les mêmes ennuis si tu ne leur pose pas la question. En effet, le fanatisme rend sourd et aveugle. C'est la paranoia totale!
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تناقلت العديد من الصحف و المواقع العربية صورة التذكار اللقب المنقوش مسبقا باسم كارمن سليمان من مصر يحمله ممثل شركة بلاتنيوم،رغم أن الحلقة كانت مباشرة و باب التصويت لم يغلق بعد.
و أعلنت قناة “إم بي سي” السعودية و مقرها دبي من استوديوهاتها في بيروت،أن المشتركة المصرية كارمن سليمان فازت بلقب برنامج المسابقات الغنائية “أراب آيدول” بموسمه الأول، بعدما نالت أكثر نسبة تصويت من قبل المشاهدين في التصويت.
و اشتكى العديد من متتبعي المسابقة المثيرة للجدل في العالم العربي من مشاكل تقنية جمة في التصويت خلال الساعات التي سبقت الحلقة الأخيرة.
و اشتكى العديد من السعوديين على مواقع التواصل الإجتماعي ساعات قبل موعد بث البرنامج،من عدم تمكينهم من التصويت حيث أن الخط الذي وضع للملكة العربية السعودية شابه خلل تقني لم تعمل قناة “إم بي سي”على إصلاحه،ما حرم المشاركين خاصة المغربية دنيا باطما التي تتمتع بشعبية كبيرة في دول الخليج لأدائها أغان خليجية،من رافد هام من روافد التصويت،و نفس المشكلة وقعت في بعض دول الخليج الأخرى بينها الإمارات،ما يطرح اكثر من علامة استفهام بشأن مصداقية المسابقة برمتها.
و شوهدت المتسابقة المغربية دنيا باطما تبكي في كواليس البرنامج قبل بدئه،بعد أن فوجئ جميع المنظمين بممثل شركة “بيبسي” للمشروبات الغازية يغادر اجتماعا سريا عقد داخل دهاليز البرنامج و هو يصرخ أنه يريد فوز كارمن سليمان على اعتبار أن المنتوج الذي تقدمه شركته لا يشربه المغاربة،و أن السوق المغربية محتكرة من قبل شركة “كوكا كولا” عكس مصر التي تعتبر فيها “بيبسي” مشروبا رئيسيا.
و قبيل موعد بث البرنامج بخمس ساعات،كانت عضوة في لجنة فرز الأصوات طلبت عدم الكشف عن اسمها،قد كشفت أن المتسابقة المغربية دنيا باطمة تتفوق لحدود الساعة الثالثة بعد الزوال بتوقيت غرينيتش على المتسابقة المصرية كارمن سليمان بأزيد من 123 ألف صوت، وقالت بأنّ أغلب الأصوات التي حصلت عليها المتسابقة المغربية هي من منطقة المغرب العربي وخاصة المغرب والجزائر، وتليها بعض الدول الأوربية في مقدمتها فرنسا و بلجيكا و هولاندا.
و أضافت بأنّ نقاشا حارا دار داخل دهاليز لجنة القناة المنظمة لبرنامج “آراب أيدول”،بعد أن عبر أحد المستشهرين الرئيسيين والممولين للبرنامج الذي يدعم منذ البداية المتسابقة المصرية “كارمن” عن غضبه مهددا بالإنسحاب و التراجع عن التزامات شركته إن فازت المتسابقة المغربية دنيا باطمة،لأن هذا سيلحق خسارة كبيرة بشركته على حد تعبيره في السوق المصرية.و شوهد مرات عديدة وهو يخرج من قاعة الاجتماعات غاضبا ويصرخ باسم كارمن بين الفينة والأخرى.
و شكك العديد من المهتمين استطلعت أراءهم الدولية في نتيجة التصويت باعتبار أن دنيا باطما حظيت بإشادة كبيرة من لجنة التحكيم،و لم يسبق لها الوصول إلى منطقة الخطر طيلة مراحل البرنامج عكس المتسابقة المصرية التي كانت مهددة بالخروج المبكر أكثر من مرة.
و حظي “أراب أيدول” النسخة العربية من برنامج المسابقات الغنائي العالمي “بول أيدول” الذي اخترعه سيمون فيلر وطورته شركة فريمانتل البريطانية، بمتابعة عالية في الوطن العربي منذ بث حلقاته الأولى على قناة”إم بي سي” السعودية التي يوجد مقرها في دبي.
و كان برنامج “اراب أيدول” قد تجاهل انتقادات وجهت إليه منذ بدايته حينما سمح للمشاركة المصرية كارمن سليمان بالمشاركة في مسابقة مخصصة أصلا للأصوات الجديدة،حيث أن كارمن معروفة في مصر كمغنية محترفة،و سبق لها أن فازت بجائزة مهمة بعد مشاركتها في مهرجان الموسيقى العربية في القاهرة المخصص للمحترفين تحت اسم كارمن عصام علي و ليس كارمن سليمان كما جاء في المسابقة كما يوضح هذا
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to whoever is talking mad shit about carmen you guys are just jealous she is much more talented then Dounia and shes younger than her not only does carmen have the voice but she has the looks too and thats something dounia doesnt have so haters get off this pageee :)
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I was soooooo happy that Carmen won!!!! Elf mubrook Carmen!! She is so much better than Dounia! Carmen has an amazing voice, is gorgeous, and only 17! On the other hand Dounia's voice has no dynamics, she's not that pretty, and she's already a superstar in Morrocco! What the heck is she doing on Arab Idol?! If she were to win I would have been so mad because she is already rich and famous so someone else needed to win! I voted over 30 times for Carmen and thank goodness she won!! Yeah go Carmen show them your the best!
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Tu raconte n'importe quoi ! Meme plusieurs personnes ont votés pour Dounia et on recu leur vote avait été compté pour Carmen!! Comment je sais que c'est pas la même chose pour Carmen? Parce que ce probleme na été vu dans AUCUN FORUM de la part des égyptiens! Dis moi quand est ce qu'il ya eu un précédent? Toutes les fois ou une marocaine a perdu c'était contre un mec du Golfe, donc on savais toujours que c'était normal. Mais cette candidate a eu plus de soutiens que tout les autre candidats réunis, c'était une vrai graine de star! Si tu sais lire l'arabe, lit le long paragraphe en haut (qui était sur le FB officiel de MBC). Ce résultat est bidon ! La verité c'est que le sponsort "Pepsi" voulait un visage égyptien car les Marocains sont monopolisés par Coca-Cola. Les votes donnaient Dounia pour vainqueur, c'était celle avec le plus de vote pendant toutes la saison, et alors quoi? Lors de la finale ca part en vrille? Crois moi j'aurais exactement la meme réaction si elle était algérienne ou tunisienne !
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@ Maya We are not JEALOUS because if we were jealous we would agree that Carmen is better, which is not. She is "Pepsi Idol" and not Arab Idol, the reason why they took her is because Pepsi has a lot of business in Egypt while everyone in Morocco drinks Coca-Cola. Be happy, I can tell you that in a few years, Dounia's place will be among the stars while Carmen will end in an Egyptian drama series. There's so many Egyptian singers that most of them don't last more than a couple years.. while Dounia she's Ahlam, Samira Said or Najwa Karam's material, she will be among the best Arabic singers... the emotion she gets from Khaleeji singing, plus Egyptian and Moroccan, she will be mindblowing. So no we aren't jealous
@ RawabDounia was not a superstar in Morocco! She had this huge coverage because she was among the best in Arab Idol. She took part of a Moroccan singing competition, but this show is TRIVIAL compared to Star Academy or Arab Idol. Moroccans indeed do need to go to the Middle East if they want to have big careers. Carmen is not better than Dounia and you guys know it. Carmen she can sings only Egyptian in a good way, she is meant to have a career in Egypt wa khalass, she is not meant like Dounia to work in Cairo, Beyrout or Dubai like the biggest stars of Arabic music. You say that Dounia has NO DYNAMIC? That's why she made Ahlam cried more than once, even Shafei gave her a standing ovation and Ragheb told her she was Amirat Arab Idol. Even in Saudi Arabia, in a show they said "Of course we are for Dunia". So yeah be happy that she won Arab Idol and the car, because that's all what she is going to get, while Carmen is stucked smiling on a Pepsi add, Dounia will be working with dozens of composers and songwriters...
Dounia, with or without the title, is the Real Arab Idol, and the whole world know it
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@ Mike
Thanks for the news ! So, the Pepsi is involved ! The article makes a lot of sense and conisdering the developments in the show I am not surprised at all that some business interests were involved in the outcome; but, what is surprsing is the cheap way the MBC was cheating - by setting up the "technical problems" in the voting process ! All the producers of the musical competitions that involve popular voting "cheat": that is part of their strategies of increasing the profits and to some extent it is all right - otherwise nobody would be producing these shows. The Dubai TV (Najm al Khaleej) is very moderate in cheating on the results and they deserve some respect. The LBC (Star Ac.) cheats a lot, but they are very skilled; often they play on the common sense and that often works (as the public stays in doubt, concluding "it's possible"). The Future TV (SuperStar) did not cheat out of greed but as the last resort - more in order to get some reasonable ranking of the candidates, so the more talented stay longer. The MBC (A.Idol) cheats in a crude way and treats their public as the morons. Acctually, this case of cheating amounts to the corruption. What they did is shooting itself in the foot: considering this is the first season it is unlikely anyone would trust them in the future.
@ KhadijaMaghribiyaAs far as I remember it has never happened in these programs that a candidate who has been three times in the danger zone wins by voting against a candidate who has never been in it. That alone is enough for a serious doubt about the credibility of the result. Also, I agree, Dunia has shown much more ability for different styles than Carmen.
@ FairI am glad we agree that even the participation without fairness (or the "demographic winning" as you'd say) at the end might be enough for the young artists because in these shows the public gets to know them and the chance to perform to the millions is nore than enough for a real talent.
You have touched upon some subjects that are not for these pages so I will go over it very lightly. You are quite right about the racism; it exists in all arab countries, but it is not talked about, and the only improvements are currently possible only on the individual level. Second thing: you hear only rarely one arab group praising other one for the hystorical reasons, as the tribal life has lasted too long; or, if you want, in the arab mind the tribalism still has a strong hold.
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Well actually it happened in Star Academy season 2 with this dumbass Hisham (who was a terrible singer, the crappiest winner of Star Academy's history) who was nominated 4 times before he got the title against Tunisian Amani Souissi (about whome Rahbani said that she was the best voice to come out of a television show). But other than that, no it never happened... Did you read what they said about Pepsi???!!! I can't freaking believe it! You were right 3azizati Nawal, you were damn right about this corporation stuff, I am stunned. So basically if Coca-Cola was the sponsor, Dounia would be in finale with Ghofran since North Africa are all drinking Coca and we don't drink BEBSI... and she would won since Moroccans are three times more than Tunisians... what a world... I really hope that this goes public. It shows how Western labels keep the Arab world away from fair democracy... Pepsi Idol this is how they should call Carmen... anyway what's done is done...
I am waiting for Dounia's first album, with EMI Arabia (not Rotana since they are as crappy as MBC, I used to respect Platinum Records because they really take care of their singers, but now I am sick with disgust
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meskin inta maghribi allah 3al kadeb why we did not see a single word in French. Masakin yi egyptians youthink that Cramen won. well, she did not she was made to win by mbc. I got the results the 10 hours before the start of programe telling that Carmen was decided to be the winner by the Saudi royals for economic reaseons that's all. But you will see she will not survive in the sa7a faniya because her style is for shakhbat shakhbit which will go perfectly with TANTIT LAMA BITGHANI. HAHAHAHA
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meskin inta maghribi allah 3al kadeb why we did not see a single word in French. Masakin yi egyptians youthink that Cramen won. well, she did not she was made to win by mbc. I got the results the 10 hours before the start of programe telling that Carmen was decided to be the winner by the Saudi royals for economic reaseons that's all. But you will see she will not survive in the sa7a faniya because her style is for shakhbat shakhbit which will go perfectly with TANTIT LAMA BITGHANI. HAHAHAHA
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Il suffit de te lire pour s'apercevoir de l'ampleur de ton hystérie. Que Dounia ait la capacité de chanter dans tous les répertoires et styles musicaux on s'en tape. Tu es qui d'abord pour dire laquelle des deux est la meilleure? On s'entend que les deux étaient méritantes du titre, d'où leur qualification en final. Le choix des arabes s'est fait entendre et le verdict est tombé et personne peut le changer ou le minimiser. Aller jusqu'à critiquer la voix de Carmen et dire qu'elle n'ira pas loin dans sa carrière est une ancienne astuce de l'homme désespéré. Tu fais mauvaise perdante! Pitié. Dire que Pepsi exigeait une gagnante égyptienne est pour le moins délirant. Pepsi est le commanditaire principal de l'émission et n'a rien à avoir avec le ou la gagnante. Heureusement que les juges des jeux olympiques n'ont pas disqualifié El Guerrouj parce que Gatorade n'est pas une boisson populaire au Maroc. lol Un conseil ne pas se prononcer sur un sujet, c'est déjà éviter de dire des bêtises. ''Parce que ce probleme na été vu dans AUCUN FORUM de la part des égyptiens'' T'as déjà vu quelqu'un obtenir ce qu'il souhaite pour ensuite s'en plaindre! Voilà ta réponse! Bref, les égyptiens sont 80 millions et votent massivement donc pas besoin d'en faire une polémique. Ayez l'humilité d'accepter et de respecter le choix du public et épargnez nous vos conjectures ridicules. Sinon cessez de voter pour l'amour de Dieu! Si ça peut te faire plaisir, c'est devenu presqu'une malédiction de remporter le titre dans ce genre d'émission vu que les vainqueurs pour la plus part n'ont pas vu l'ombre du succès dans leur carrière musicale. Une preuve de plus que le vote est purement nationaliste et n'a rien à avoir avec des intérêts d'ordre économique ou politique comme tu le prétends. La question n'est pas qui est le gagnant mais qui va grimper les échelons et continuer à briller à l'extérieur du programme.
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hadi carmen hjasamatrbahch lihasa tirbah hiya dounia batma veve dounia y maroc
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Tu sais lire l'arabe déja avant de parler ou pas? Je te sors pas ca du fond de mon imagination ma belle, ca bel et bien était postée. C'est pas juste moi qui le dis, même les votes ont parlés et même la journaliste libanaise . Déja tu m'explique pourquoi ont connais pas les suffrages? On sait même pas les resultats, si ce n'est que Carmen c'est la gagnante. Lis déja l'article ou utilise Google translation si tu comprends pas l'arabe standard. Je suis désolée mais c'est la veritée quand je te dis que Carmen n'ira pas loin, les chanteuses égyptiennes tu sais y'en a combien qui montent chaque année? Y'en a une cinquantaine qui te sortent UN single et aprés POUFF.. Y'a eu une bonne chanteuse égyptienne depuis Amal Mahar en 2005? Avant c'était Sherine en 2000... c'est justement parce que c'est basique ceux qu'ils font contrairement aux libanaises et aux maghrebines qui elles excellent dans tout les styles. Tout le monde peut chanter égyptien (c'est d'ailleurs ce que tout le monde fait). Rends toi service et LIT le texte en arabe au dessus, google pour trouver la source et tu verra qu'on raconte pas n'importe quoi. La ligne de Dounia a été freezer et depuis le début ils voulaient la victoire de Carmen, c'est un fait. Pour les jeux olympiques, tu as une course, un seul gagnant, donc ton sarcasme merci de le garder pour toi.
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Generally you do not have convincing arguments. First, you cannot compare Olympic games that are under the scrutiny of the whole world with one entertainment show - especially one that has to promote Pepsi (or any other commercial brand). Second, of the 80 millions of Egyptians you are talking about 50% live below the powerty level and probably have not even heard of the show; and those who vote mostly come from the families with high living standard - 2%. Keep in mind, also, the GDP per capita in the maghreb al arabi is higher than in Egypt - let alone the fact a lot of maghreb voting comes from the emmigrants in the west. What makes the Egyptians a strong voting block is their ultra-nationalism ! Even so, they cannot get along with Khaleejis, who have means and can beat them any time they feel their national deserves it. You could not give us any idea why the MBC commercial interest would not be behind the outcome. As for your closing remark I agree, and, it will be not Carmen.
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Thanks for the reply. Yes, what has been done cannot be undone ! By the same token, the MBC might be in troubles - let them simmer in their stupidity !
Unrelated to your reply and as for something you said before:I have not watched all the primes of this show, but can see that Dunia is very modest (and Carmen should be as well): I am struck by how natural she was in singing with Ahlaam, who is so bad that often I cannot bear listening to her - from afar, and can only immagine how much torture that can inflict on anyone on the stage close to her. The absurd of the modern music industry is that someone so awful as Ahlaam is still there and the new bright voices after their five minutes of glory somehow vanish for the wider audience ...
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Hahahahahaha !!! That is a good one ! Thanks. Let us be mean a little ... It''s good for the health when you get frustrated. Nothing serious, of course.
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@ Come on people:
Please get out of lala land........... no interest! waaaa haaaahahaha
the whole programme is ONLY about making money from voting lines, plus advertising during the broadcast, and other. Do you really think this is a pure contest that cares about bringing up young talents!
You have no valid/intteligent points except that "we are just jealous and we have nothing better to do". The truth is, we are not stupid and we need to put our opinions across.
Next YEAR THE SAME COULD HAPPEN TO ANY CANDIADTE FROM ANY OTHER COUNTRY (it could be even an Egyptian).... this is about telling MBC we are not DEBILE.. Not being bad loosers. الحق بين والباطل بينIt's evident that this is all very fishy...
I am from London, many of my friends (from different part of the Arab world) were voting!! guess what?? no confirmations
@Nawal: spot on re micro-economics lol- I see the level of people defending Dounia is far too advanced than the idiotic comments such as (she won she won……., get on with it- nursery school type of attitude- lol)
Part of the voters breakdown:
12.2 million Egyptians, live in over 1,200 slums; 3,728 villages do not have access to sanitation; and 17 million adults were illiterate!!
(AllAfrica aggregates and indexes 2011 report)Am sure their votes got through??
Not ususally the type of comments I would add (it is terrible for those poor people), BUT please don't just talk about 80,000 people. One quarter of them, cannot read or write. Perhaps they can get eL 3omda to send the text on their behalf hehehe
This has gone too far, I know, but when you are dealing with people like Mis (Come on people), then you have to bring up the details…
Yet the only reaction I would expect is attitude and agressivness.You cannot win any debate with people who genuinely still think: their country and people are the best thing on this planet!
Everyone should love their country but come oooon- BE REAL
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ومن احد مذيعي البرنامج أن دنيا هي الفائزة باللقب وأنهم صدموا عندما علموا قبل البرنامج ان كارمن هي التي ستفوز
الدليل الأكبر ان مراسلة اخبار ام بي سي كانت تعلم بتتويج كارمن وهي من أخبرت بحزن شديد ا...نابيلا وعبدالله بالخبر الصدمة لدرجة أن المراسلة قررت التلميح للمشاهدين في اخبار الام بي سي قبل اعلان خبر الفوز
وبالفعل فقد اعلنت مراسلة الام بي سي خلال اخبار... الام بي سي ان الفائزة باللقب هي غير متوقعة فقد قالت حرفيا (خليكم معنا هناك مفاجأة للبرنامج والفائزة بااللقب هي عكس توقعات الجمهور الجمهور يتوقع فوز واحدة لكن الفائزة مفاجأة لكم)
وكان مذيعي البرنامج في حالة غضب لأنهم لم يتوقعوا ان تنقلب الأمور هكذا بطريقة غير شريفة
وقال المصدر انهم ليسوا مع دنيا ولا مع كارمن لكنهم مع الجمهور البسيط الذي صوت لدنيا بكل قوة طوال الأربع شهور ولم تخرج لمنطقة الخطر أبدا وفجأة يحرمونها من اللقب امر غير مقبول لأنة معاكس للواقع ومخيب لأمل الجمهور البسيط
وقال المصدر ان القناة مغلوبة على أمرها لأن الشركة الراعية بيبسي هي من يسيطر على الوضع في البرنامج حتى في النخسة القادمة..
تجدر الأشارة ان احد الأعلاميين حذر من ردة فعل قوية لجماهير دنيا فهم ليسوا بهذا الغباء خصوصا بعد روؤية حجم جماهيرية دنيا في المغرب وحجم جماهيرية كارمن في مصروقد قال احد المذيعين ان إعلى الدول تصويتا بالترتيب لدنيا بطمة هي المغرب السعودية الأمارات الجزائر تونس ليبيا قطر العراق الأردن السودان وتصويت كثيف جداً على الخط الدولي من الدول الغربية
دنيا ربحت قلوب الملايين وهي تشريف للبرنامج بكل تأكيد واللقب هو من خسر دنيا..
لكن السوؤال هنا أين ذهبت اصواتنا من المسؤول عن إهدار أموالنا لتذهب لصالح كارمن
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وقد قال احد المذيعين ان إعلى الدول تصويتا بالترتيب لدنيا بطمة هي المغرب السعودية الأمارات الجزائر تونس ليبيا قطر العراق الأردن السودان وتصويت كثيف جداً على الخط الدولي من الدول الغربية
دنيا ربحت قلوب الملايين وهي تشريف للبرنامج بكل تأكيد واللقب هو من خسر دنيا..
لكن السوؤال هنا أين ذهبت اصواتنا من المسؤول عن إهدار أموالنا لتذهب لصالح كارمن
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Hey Nawal
It's funny what you said about Ahlam! She is actually convinced to be THE BEST FEMALE ARTIST FROM THE ARABIC PENINSULA... LOL... for me this title goes to Nawal El Kuwaitia... this singer litteraly apease my soul, whenever I listen to her, she is like a harp. She is humble, generous and a tremendous singer, who deliver real emotions through her songs... I wish Dounia to have a career like that, and I really hope that she doesn't turn like Sofia El Marikh, we want a real artist, who can sing Khaleeji, Maghrebi, Massri, Lebanese, Classic Arabic... I hope she can work with poets like Karim El Iraqi, Nader Abdullah, Marwan Khoury, and some great Khaleeji writers and composers... I mean her voice is too good to be wasted in some stupid "Bahebak Awiii" or "Ana Mosh 3aiza 7aga" LOL...
Yeah you have a point, seriously Arabic music is becoming real trash... I wish you were back 20 years ago, when we could do good music. Look when Ahlam said about "Marsoul El Hob", she said that she heard this song since she is a kid. Before Middle-eastern audience were opened on Moroccan music, people like Abdelwahab Doukkali, Abdelhadi Belkhiyat, Naima Samih, Latifa Raafat were known in the Arab world, we were more united artistically speaking..
Now North Africa has a population that made great contributions to the world (biggest traveler of his time Moroccan Ibn Battuta, father of aviation Moroccan Ibn Rushed, first Arab woman to win an Olympic title, Moroccan Nawal El Moutawakel in 1984), a Grammy award winning producer RedOne, many great actors, writers, scientists, etc.. we made Arabic known in Europe and we contribute a lot in Arabic culture.. and still it seems like we are always underminded by Middle Eastern medias...
You have all the dialects in MBC, Egyptian, Lebanese, Gulf but not a single program in Moroccan or Algerian or Tunisian. If you go to the Murex d'Or, you never have Moroccan actors nominated in their category while they get international awards somewhere else where people don't even speak Arabic (movie Casanegra won many awards including Best Actor for Anas El Baz, Moroccan actress Lubna Azabal won the Canadian Oscars for her performance in Incendies.. where she was playing a Lebanese woman!). One Moroccan movie, "The Source" did the opening in Cannes Film Festival, and noone heard of it in the Middle East...
So yeah it sucks, I kind of understand why more and more North African start to give away the label "Arab" for the label "Maghrebian"
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Don't even try to compare yourself next to Egypt. Try just winning 1 noble prize then come talk. Even if pepsi was involved they STILL preferred Carmen above dounia. Rageb alama, Elissa, Nancy Ajram, Carole samaha, Sherine abdel wahab, Amr diab, Nesma Mahgoub, Hassan el shafei etc all voted for Carmen. Everyone here in Lebanon supported Carmen.
If you talk about poverty then look at moroco who is number 51 on the economy when egypt is 39, Egypt is an emerging market and you will see how it will grow in the next years. Don't ever bring politics or a country into this subject because you will have no class. Never underestimate Lebanon and Egypt. They are land of stars and fame, art and knowledge.
It is known that when someone loses in these competitions they come up with millions of excuses that the show cheated.
Anyways i know many in Turkey and in Iran who were supporting Carmen as well.
Carmen deserved to win because she has a voice of an angel, so powerful, she has a beautiful personality, her looks are even better and she got to the hearts of millions of people no wonder famous stars voted for her. Congratulations Carmen and no matter what the haters say, these are lame excuses nothing more.
It is a shame that you can't congratulate her since we are all arabs. Again Carmen you are amazing and you deserved ARAB IDOL.
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Wait a second bro ! Ypu miles too far. Yes I am Arab and no I don't get happy when results are being changed for a Pepsi add, when so many people voted! We don't even get the results, is there any Arabic singing competition when you don't know the results ?
What about Nobel Prizes? Did Lebanon won any? I don't think so, so what are you going to say? That Egypt is better than your country based on that? Moroccans made the headlines in history, acknoledge it or not, there's no need to talk about that, history speak in our favour ya ma7boub. I compare Morocco ten thousand times to Egypt if I want too, you are underminding my country so much that I am sure you don't even know a goddamn thing about it... like we say in Morocco "Law Masr Oum Douniya, Al Maghrib Abuha". So we don't need your acknoledgement, there's plenty of Lebanese people who either live in Morocco or know about Moroccan and can witness for us. You really bot some nerves.. As for Ragheb, he told Dounia on prime that she could get the title. Elissa told that because she is the face of Pepsi, Nancy Ajram because without Egypt she is nothing.. many Moroccan and North African celebrities voted for Dounia and invited their fans to vote for her. Oumayma from Star Academy, Imad from Star Academy, Rajaa Qasabni. Samira Said and Said El Fayez even called Dounia after her performances. Tunisia's channel Nesma TV also supported her. You speak about Turkey and Iran? I speak about France, Germany, Spain, Neitherland, the USA and Canada. Again read the article.
Morocco is also in expension darling, that's the reason why the Gulf countries wanted to invite Morocco to join them as the matter of fact. And you will see how it will grow, because Moroccans don't consider themselves as the center of the world, we look forward and we move, while other keep braging about Oum Kalthoum and how Egyptian cinema blablabla. You are the one who should NEVER underestimate Morocco. And I didnt say anything about Lebanon, so take a chill pill. Know keep REAL and read the damn text if you can read Arabic. The land of stars and fame, art and knowledge, you have that through all the Arab world, and Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia also darling, but you are so self-centered that you don't even bother to do research. And for your record, MY 51st ranked country was the first one to send you guys financial and humanitarian help when Israel attacked you a few years ago and many Lebanese people live among us as far as the Civil war (and we love them)! , so you would really need to show up more respect! Just for the record. We may not have oil, but we have big hearts, and that's why Moroccan people will always go further...
She can keep her stolen trophy, for all I care. The future will show us who was the real Arab Idol and who was rewarded by a travesty.
Salaam
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Hahaha! You are funny!
You know I am the kind of person that likes to be fair. Carmen does have an amazing voice. The kind of voice you don't hear nowadays. Since the first time I heard her, I was like WOW! I was truly amazed! Then I heard Dounia and I was even more amazed. Specially after hearing what the judges used to say to her. Ahlam cried once while listening to Dounia, Ragheb told her the was "Amirat Arab Idol", Ahlam then saying she has one of nicest voice bel 3alam al arab mish bas Arab idol and many many more compliments. Carmen also had amazing comment from the juges but not nearly amazing as Dounia.Plus Dounia was NEVER in the danger Zone, Carmen on the other hand twice in the danger zone. So when it comes down to it, since both of them truly have STUNNING voices you need to start looking at other stuff, and Dounia hands down, she was better in the other department. Best performances, best comments by judges, she knew how to talk when asked questions, she was so diplomatic! Carmen never ONCE did she answer a question asked to her with a nice response. You can see she wasn't very smart (probably didn't finsh high school since she started singing at a very early age instead of attending class). Dounia had the whole package. Also Dounia used to sing every song wonderfully but Carmen, the only songs she sang amazing was Tarab. Her voice doesn't suit the songs of today. Dounia sings Tarab amazing, gulf amazing (carmen too, in gulf nice but Dounia even better), and also songs like Najwa Karam, Shereen, Nancy etc...Carmen's voice doesn't suit these type of songs at all.
And speaking of looks. Carmen is really not pretty. I mean she became so much prettier in the show after the ton of makeup but at the audition she really wasn't pretty and she is really short! Dounia too she isn't pretty, only after putting makeup she became much prettier but her body is amazing and she has the start look! And its not about looks but about start quality and voice! Anyways again Carmen has an amazing voice but she isn't better than Dounia nor was she the real arab idol!
P-S: Also Carmen wasn't even suppose to be on arab idol if you ask me. She was already on a show called modern star and came first when she was 16 years old. Hani shaker gave her the prize! Also she sang at opera in egypt and appeared on a lot of television shows with the same uncle who was with her in the day of her audition to arab idol. Dounia had a videoclip BUT this was in morocco and everyone knows that if you want to become a great singer you can't stay in morocco you need exposer in countries like egypt, lebanon etc... So Dounia didn't get the same chance Carmen got before arab idol. So even if she did have a videoclip this doesn't mean she had exposer she needed to begin her career! Carmen had SO many exposer. She was 16 when she entered the modern star show and at 17 she entered Arab Idol (there wasn't even a Gap between them) Talk about selfish! So you can say carmen cheated :)
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There ya akhi, if you can't understand Arabic, you can use Google Translation
تناقلت العديد من الصحف و المواقع العربية صورة التذكار اللقب المنقوش مسبقا باسم كارمن سليمان من مصر يحمله ممثل شركة بلاتنيوم،رغم أن الحلقة كانت مباشرة و باب التصويت لم يغلق بعد.
و أعلنت قناة “إم بي سي” السعودية و مقرها دبي من استوديوهاتها في بيروت،أن المشتركة المصرية كارمن سليمان فازت بلقب برنامج المسابقات الغنائية “أراب آيدول” بموسمه الأول، بعدما نالت أكثر نسبة تصويت من قبل المشاهدين في التصويت.
و اشتكى العديد من متتبعي المسابقة المثيرة للجدل في العالم العربي من مشاكل تقنية جمة في التصويت خلال الساعات التي سبقت الحلقة الأخيرة.
و اشتكى العديد من السعوديين على مواقع التواصل الإجتماعي ساعات قبل موعد بث البرنامج،من عدم تمكينهم من التصويت حيث أن الخط الذي وضع للملكة العربية السعودية شابه خلل تقني لم تعمل قناة “إم بي سي”على إصلاحه،ما حرم المشاركين خاصة المغربية دنيا باطما التي تتمتع بشعبية كبيرة في دول الخليج لأدائها أغان خليجية،من رافد هام من روافد التصويت،و نفس المشكلة وقعت في بعض دول الخليج الأخرى بينها الإمارات،ما يطرح اكثر من علامة استفهام بشأن مصداقية المسابقة برمتها.
و شوهدت المتسابقة المغربية دنيا باطما تبكي في كواليس البرنامج قبل بدئه،بعد أن فوجئ جميع المنظمين بممثل شركة “بيبسي” للمشروبات الغازية يغادر اجتماعا سريا عقد داخل دهاليز البرنامج و هو يصرخ أنه يريد فوز كارمن سليمان على اعتبار أن المنتوج الذي تقدمه شركته لا يشربه المغاربة،و أن السوق المغربية محتكرة من قبل شركة “كوكا كولا” عكس مصر التي تعتبر فيها “بيبسي” مشروبا رئيسيا.
و قبيل موعد بث البرنامج بخمس ساعات،كانت عضوة في لجنة فرز الأصوات طلبت عدم الكشف عن اسمها،قد كشفت أن المتسابقة المغربية دنيا باطمة تتفوق لحدود الساعة الثالثة بعد الزوال بتوقيت غرينيتش على المتسابقة المصرية كارمن سليمان بأزيد من 123 ألف صوت، وقالت بأنّ أغلب الأصوات التي حصلت عليها المتسابقة المغربية هي من منطقة المغرب العربي وخاصة المغرب والجزائر، وتليها بعض الدول الأوربية في مقدمتها فرنسا و بلجيكا و هولاندا.
و أضافت بأنّ نقاشا حارا دار داخل دهاليز لجنة القناة المنظمة لبرنامج “آراب أيدول”،بعد أن عبر أحد المستشهرين الرئيسيين والممولين للبرنامج الذي يدعم منذ البداية المتسابقة المصرية “كارمن” عن غضبه مهددا بالإنسحاب و التراجع عن التزامات شركته إن فازت المتسابقة المغربية دنيا باطمة،لأن هذا سيلحق خسارة كبيرة بشركته على حد تعبيره في السوق المصرية.و شوهد مرات عديدة وهو يخرج من قاعة الاجتماعات غاضبا ويصرخ باسم كارمن بين الفينة والأخرى.
و شكك العديد من المهتمين استطلعت أراءهم الدولية في نتيجة التصويت باعتبار أن دنيا باطما حظيت بإشادة كبيرة من لجنة التحكيم،و لم يسبق لها الوصول إلى منطقة الخطر طيلة مراحل البرنامج عكس المتسابقة المصرية التي كانت مهددة بالخروج المبكر أكثر من مرة.
و حظي “أراب أيدول” النسخة العربية من برنامج المسابقات الغنائي العالمي “بول أيدول” الذي اخترعه سيمون فيلر وطورته شركة فريمانتل البريطانية، بمتابعة عالية في الوطن العربي منذ بث حلقاته الأولى على قناة”إم بي سي” السعودية التي يوجد مقرها في دبي.
و كان برنامج “اراب أيدول” قد تجاهل انتقادات وجهت إليه منذ بدايته حينما سمح للمشاركة المصرية كارمن سليمان بالمشاركة في مسابقة مخصصة أصلا للأصوات الجديدة،حيث أن كارمن معروفة في مصر كمغنية محترفة،و سبق لها أن فازت بجائزة مهمة بعد مشاركتها في مهرجان الموسيقى العربية في القاهرة المخصص للمحترفين تحت اسم كارمن عصام علي و ليس كارمن سليمان كما جاء في المسابقةI love how you hide yourself behind Egypt... you are either a fake Lebanese or a fake Egyptian, I can't tell... specially since most of nowardays Lebanese singers (beside the amazing Najwa Karam) wouldn't even exist without Egypt, not like the glorious old generation such as Wadi El Safi or Fairuz (even her and Sabah had to sing Egyptian at some point). But for your record even Sabah sung (and did a clip) in Moroccan back at her glorious time.. Man La Illa Bachar, a classic from Abdelwahab Doukkali....
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To Maya
Hahaha! You are funny!
You know I am the kind of person that likes to be fair. Carmen does have an amazing voice. The kind of voice you don't hear nowadays. Since the first time I heard her, I was like WOW! I was truly amazed! Then I heard Dounia and I was even more amazed. Specially after hearing what the judges used to say to her. Ahlam cried once while listening to Dounia, Ragheb told her the was "Amirat Arab Idol", Ahlam then saying she has one of nicest voice bel 3alam al arab mish bas Arab idol and many many more compliments. Carmen also had amazing comment from the juges but not nearly amazing as Dounia.Plus Dounia was NEVER in the danger Zone, Carmen on the other hand twice in the danger zone. So when it comes down to it, since both of them truly have STUNNING voices you need to start looking at other stuff, and Dounia hands down, she was better in the other department. Best performances, best comments by judges, she knew how to talk when asked questions, she was so diplomatic! Carmen never ONCE did she answer a question asked to her with a nice response. You can see she wasn't very smart (probably didn't finsh high school since she started singing at a very early age instead of attending class). Dounia had the whole package. Also Dounia used to sing every song wonderfully but Carmen, the only songs she sang amazing was Tarab. Her voice doesn't suit the songs of today. Dounia sings Tarab amazing, gulf amazing (carmen too, in gulf nice but Dounia even better), and also songs like Najwa Karam, Shereen, Nancy etc...Carmen's voice doesn't suit these type of songs at all.
And speaking of looks. Carmen is really not pretty. I mean she became so much prettier in the show after the ton of makeup but at the audition she really wasn't pretty and she is really short! Dounia too she isn't pretty, only after putting makeup she became much prettier but her body is amazing and she has the start look! And its not about looks but about start quality and voice! Anyways again Carmen has an amazing voice but she isn't better than Dounia nor was she the real arab idol!
P-S: Also Carmen wasn't even suppose to be on arab idol if you ask me. She was already on a show called modern star and came first when she was 16 years old. Hani shaker gave her the prize! Also she sang at opera in egypt and appeared on a lot of television shows with the same uncle who was with her in the day of her audition to arab idol. Dounia had a videoclip BUT this was in morocco and everyone knows that if you want to become a great singer you can't stay in morocco you need exposer in countries like egypt, lebanon etc... So Dounia didn't get the same chance Carmen got before arab idol. So even if she did have a videoclip this doesn't mean she had exposer she needed to begin her career! Carmen had SO many exposer. She was 16 when she entered the modern star show and at 17 she entered Arab Idol (there wasn't even a Gap between them) Talk about selfish! So you can say carmen cheated :)
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I will not even bother to read your silly comments, it's filled with hate and jealousy. I won't even go there, You are nothing without Lebanon and Egypt. I am proud of our relations since we make music, movies and everything together. The only ones commenting here are morocons and I will not go further in this because the name Egypt or Lebanon is enough. Abo el donya? LOL that is how ridiculous you are, never heard of it around the WORLD and on various sources it is known Egypt is om el donya, no such thing as abo. Stop hating, it will get you no where. Carmen is Arab Idol. By the way I live in London as well and most people were chearing for Carmen, all lebanese here were supporting Carmen. I don't need protect Egypt because Egypt is really om el donya.
Keep hating but it will only affect you. We are arabs so Carmen won, congratulate her. Don't bring countries in this, if you want to complain then complain to mbc.
Congratulations Carmen you deserved Arab Idol
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Salou ala naby everyone,
I am Egyptian and I am very proud Carmen won, to Egypt and other countries such as syria and lebanon Carmen's voice is what we love. To other countries, Donia's voice is what they love.
Why should we mention countries in this? Why attack Carmen or Donia? They have nothing to do with this.
Anyways this is just a singing competition, people are dying in Syria and Palestine and we are fighting about a singing competition. Please let's congratulate each other, let's not let a competition get between us. Anyways mabroooook Carmen and beltawf2 ya donia.
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Don't bother to read, as I always say, truth hurts :) And tell me once Morocco needed Lebanon? But yeah Morocco was the first country to send financial and humanitarian aids to Lebanon and to publicaly condamn Israel attack... What was Egypt doing? . Egypt is known as Om El Donia only for Egyptians, for the rest of the world, the craddle of civilisation is actually Iraq (and Mesopotamia) and the reference to the old world is Europe. So give me your sources darling. As the matter of fact Morocco is the oldest Monarchy in the world, we recognized the Independance of the United States of America, you guys were all under Ottoman's rule and you didn't have your own countries yet. Oldest still operating University... also us :) So yeah if Masr is Om el Donia and autoproclammed it, well we have the right to be her husband, what's wrong with that? Or maybe Egyptians have the monopole about megalomany?
My sister lives in London, most Iraqis, Lebanese, Palestinians and Algerian people she know were for Dounia Batma :)
Morocco is BIG without anybody darling, you really think that Arabic Music is what make our pride? Lebanon and Egypt just to launch our pan-Arabic singers, that's it, Moroccans have plenty of artists who don't need to join in Rotana to be famous, they perform in Europe, in North America, in Asia. We have also amazing local singers who have decades of songs and whose songs are even known probably from your parents and grand parents, even Sabah song a composition of Abdelwahab Doukkali (the writer of Marsoul el Hob). As the matter of fact, most Europeans and Americans don't even know about Arabic singers. But you have Moroccan RNB singers, rapers, soccer players, writers etc...So be quiet :)
And don't worry, MBC is going to hear about that for a long long time
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Thank you I agree!
Some people need to relax! There are more important things than winning some program, in the Arab world as we speak, people are being oppressed etc... Focus on that!
Btw, after one year both of them will be forgotten or have singles like "Bahebak awi" "mosh 2adra a3eesh m3a gheerak" bla blaTo the Moroccans: yes we know Donia is way better then Carmen, was there cheating? Maybe, I don't know, but what happened with being happy for someone else?
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First, we want the results to be shown and published in public. These Arabic shows are mainly based on commercial gains, nothing else. Carmen was very happy since the beginning, and during the news right before the show the stupid broadcaster said something very revealing, that Dounia is so sure of herself, but there is a surprise. I swear I knew that there is something going on. Having predictions is a thing, and being sure of the results shows that nothing is transparent.
We Moroccans don't drink Pepsi, and I don't think Pepsi would have Dounia do the ads because it won't sell in Egypt, where there are "80 million people". Everyone knows that Dounia has so many more fans than Carmen, except that Carmen is prettier and can commercialize better Pepsi's products.
We all saw how Nancy and Elissa were showing their interest in Carmen, because she sings pretty much their type of music "dala3", which sells well than anything.
We Arabs watched the show not to vote for Haifa's similar singers, we know Carmen has a good voice, but we know that if she was really the winner she would have won since the beginning and never had lower levels of vote.
Carmen is talented, but her voice is not as strong as Dounia’s, and we can clearly see that she struggles when she sings: her noise gets bigger, she runs out of breath, and she gets tight. She is simply not as talented as Dounia.
To talk about the point of Khadija, yes, there is racism towards Moroccans and maghrebins in general, and I could clearly see that when they asked Arabs in England about their opinion right before the show. One Jordanian girl said that she wanted Youssef to win but now she wants Carmen "akeed". We don't really give a shit about that, we have heard enough about Moroccan people and especially women, we know who we are and we are gifted in so many ways by our diversity, history, and beauty of our country and people.
They all think Moroccan women are prostitutes and practice black magic, and that all Moroccans including old people speak French as a first language! Some stupid middle easterners have some really phenomenal stereotypes that make me laugh so hard. It’s simply ignorance and hatred! Not to mention that we are Jewish and have no Islamic practices whatsoever, while when I came here I realized how much girls from the Middle East are open and contradicting themselves; I was even shocked knowing that they surpassed American and western girls sometimes in certain things.
I think most Moroccans are finally awake and will not participate as much in future competitions. Peace and love and 3asha al maghrib!
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Salam,
I am Palestinian..... and I suported Carmen along with many othr Palestinians and we even contributed a whole day togethr to vote for her..... please do nt generalise about other countries who only voted for donia because they both had fans from every country and stop talking bad about Egypt....reading your coments is vry hurtful about lebaneen because you went to far. To egyptians and others Carmen was a much better voice than Dounya and vice versa to mooracans and others.
Cherry90: you are soooooo right people diying between us and in middle east and we are fightng here, really congratulations to egypt and it was an honor supporting carmen.
Carmen deserved it and dounya hardluck and i wish you the best in your futre.
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CARMEN DIDN"T DESERVE THE FREAKING TITLE. Hassan Stand up for Donia and ahlam cried when she heard her voice when she sang for Um kalthoum in the finals and he never standed up for Carmen.
Audience are the one to vote not judges
Pepsi will be in trouble ,because they have racism
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If it would be audience choice they want Donia or Yousef but it's about pepsi. Because they changed Yousef voting with Carmen
Yousef was 40% and carmen was 6%What shocks me the most, MBC is in Saudi Arabia right? if it was Saudi Arabia is a highly religious country and women cannot drive there. WHY WOULD MBC CHEAT in the voting as cheating is prohibited in islam
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I was neutral at the beginning, and didn't favor anyone. But I noticed how nasty Donia's fans are and how much of insults and rumors they spread about Carmen much early. Donia's attitude was certainly not as bad as her fans, but was not good either. Carmen was always smiling and down to earth. I liked Carmen and didn't much care for Donia. So I think those nasty, name calling fans are what caused people like me to vote for Carmen.
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i am dwight from holland. i am totally agree with you. you say it right my friend. this was not transparent. the woman from marocco is the winner!!!!!!
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@ Just MeYou are cleraly twisting things (or "lieing") ! You voted for Carmen because of the "nasty" Dunia's fans !? The fans, and those who are not (of any of the finalists), started voicing their revolt over the dirty outcome of this show - only AFTER the results! In the previous primes Dunia ALWAYS had the lead ! Why would anyone care to "attack" poor Carmen who was in the danger zone. Sorry, you are talking nonsense and nobody gives a cent !
@ hayaYou are partially right because the major shareholder in the "mbc group" who has the ownership is Waleed Al Ibrahim - a saudi. The MBC is a completely private company and opened in London (UK), later to move its headquarters to Dubai. It was the first privately-owned satellite TV station in the Arab world.
@ SophiaI am getting tired of having to argue with those who have no arguments too ! You had some good wording: "nursery school type of attitude" - just as it is! I appreciate your comment.
@ LebanonYou are saying: "she won because she's better" and that all Egyptians voted for her. We did not know - thanks for clarifying ! Then you say "... no wonder famous stars voted for her" : the singers who openly supported Carmen - don't they come to Egypt often (and make their bread and butter overthere) ? How strange they were showing off ?!
How do you know all posters here are from Maghreb ? Where do you detect the hate speech in these postings ? why do you think Maghreb is "nothing without" Leb-Masr ? You are saying you're bursting with pride as you're in the center of the world - let it be ! Just a talking baby ...
@ Meryem USAThanks for many valuble general remarks you have shared ! Regarding this final more specifically, I have not heard of the MBC news preceding the show and what you said about the news speaker's lapse is very interesting ("... but, there is a surprise!") !
@ KhadijaMaghribiyaYes, I heard N. El Kuwaitia in the Najm al Khaleej and all three judges (real - not like these clowns) were full of respect for her, so I understood it was somebody significant. Later on I heard a few clips with her, but I still need to listen to the audio to get some appropriate idea about her singing. Yet, she is one on the same level as Al Safi (old guard), I can see that. Thank you for providing the names of the earlier moroccan musicians that I have been, unfortunately, unfamiliar with. I am going to look at all what is available about them on the web.
You're absolutely right about the "Bahebak Awi" ! I actually hate Hatem Fahmi - he is one of the signs of the degeneration of the Arab traditions. What is strange - he come from the KSA !? The trend of the global tunes I still hope is not going to be the end of the arab music (as it's happening in Europe with their). Btw, I have heard of the "The Source" even though my roots are in the middle east (Syria). When I was browsing channels (one day on the vacation) my attention was caught by the music, so I started watching the movie from the middle. It is a great movie and I will look one day for the DVD to see it all. The music is great !
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you are a stupid little girl that loves just the look not the real good voice , what a stupid girl you are : Carmen ( omg the name is not even arab...fake people ) has won the big egyptian price of singing so she is a professional, Dounia doesn't win ANYHTING and doesn't have the support like your "carmen" have, so don't tell stupid shit when you don't know nothing about Dounia, they doesn't want Dounia because of the look, but for her voice Dounia is the QUEEN OF ARAB IDOL like all the judges said, even the husband of Ahlam said that Dounia has won, but he changed what he tolds and we have the proof just go search stupid little pony girl, i can't belive such a hate and jalousy between us arabs, so go in hell with your shitty price Carmen because Dounia had The worlds heart, not a Pepsy heart !
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I have a question
who thinks the Carmen is pretty ?
if it's about prettiness why Arab idol is a singing competition ? Arab idol is a copy American idola pretty person has a natural beauty with or without make up
Yousef is pretty ,Hassan, ghofran,sherine
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before critcising me see your people who blame us for everything , what's wrong with you people !!!!!!!!!! Carmen deserve the title , so deal with it that's your issue not ours , what i am asking for is stopping this jealousy and be respectable countries carmen didn't win nobel prize it was just competition and all of us didn't win anything , and what I am saying about political issue we get used not to reply for your accusation now wa can easilllllly so don't play with out patience and don't abuse our calmness
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thanks alot for your comments , those people will never understand us I think they didn't hear anything about pharohs or lebanese civilzation they weren't exist , so little advice before comment to anyone try to estimate him if you think he is less than you be more higher than him , Finally want to thank again for everyone repect him/herself and God help us to deal with those people GOD bless Egypt (om el donia) and Lebanon (set el donia)
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Darling, you and your Leb friend must be 13-14; keep on mind your talking to some smarter (and older) people and do not embarase yourself ! But you can shout about your freedom and power - no harm in that.
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All the money won from singing is haram, so please don't bother yourself, the winner will be a looser when he will stand in front of Allah.
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hi khadija i agree that Dounia has an excellent voice and a professional pressence on stage, and a real taste for classic Arabic songs and can master singing in all other dialects!
I (friends & family) also experienced the same problems as you did when trying to send our vote, Dounia's voting line was frozen, how can you explain that she had always the biggest amount of votes all along the show and now that its the final she is the second! Dounia's vote was frozen.My experience during the final I also voted ( my friends & family) so many times and didn't receive any confirmation of the votings.
I voted for her since the first prime and I always got my message's confirmation. Do you know any means that one can complain about the judges, or to the director of the programme ,or Nessma TV or any other media as they should not be allowed to frezze Dounias voting line because of her Nationality ect, as the voting was not fair?
Many thanks for your help in advanced
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hi khadija i agree that Dounia has an excellent voice and a professional pressence on stage, and a real taste for classic Arabic songs and can master singing in all other dialects!
I (friends & family) also experienced the same problems as you did when trying to send our vote, Dounia's voting line was frozen, how can you explain that she had always the biggest amount of votes all along the show and now that its the final she is the second! Dounia's vote was frozen.My experience during the final I also voted ( my friends & family) so many times and didn't receive any confirmation of the votings.
I voted for her since the first prime and I always got my message's confirmation. Do you know any means that one can complain about the judges, or to the director of the programme ,or Nessma TV or any other media as they should not be allowed to frezze Dounias voting line because of her Nationality ect, as the voting was not fair?
Many thanks for your help in advanced
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Well there were an interview on Moroccan television with Dounia today (she is back in Casa), she signed with Platinum Records. So I am pretty sure that they told her to shut up and to forget about it. Anyway she will have her album so I am not worried, she is the best and the whole world know it.. Plus she doesn't need to be in a Pepsi add, because then she will have to drink only this and Moroccans drink Coca-Cola and all the products from Coca-Cola Company (Schwepps, Hawaii, Poms, Fanta, Orangina, etc...) + kass dial attay !!!!!! HHHHHHHHHH
Faa machi moshkil, she has the voice, she had the contract, she has the public... a stupid Star in plastic is nothing, Samira Said, Jannat or Laila Ghofran or Asmaa Lamnawar didn't need to be in an add to be famous
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LATEST !The UAE satellite music channel Nujoom had a short report on the A.Idol final scandal, and the video has already been downloaded in the u-tube and in just one day has received a wide attention. The Egyptian teens are working very hard to disqualify the clip by the negative grading; however, the postive liking still dominates. Also, the Egyptians have already started a campaign against Dunia Batma: according to the Masr press she's had an afair with the king of Maghreb ! If you want to view the clip it is v=1DsdLSGun2E
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Can you quit talking about my country this way? you are not showing any respect, and others who talk bad about my country husballah wa nama wakil.
I will not even talk about morocco or any other country because I know well enough the value of my country and we are proud, masr om el donya. Anyways this is only a singing competition not a noble prize competition even though we already have 4 noble prizes. Why do you focus so much on singing competitions and bring different arguments, all this just to convince yourself donia is better?
To many people carmen is much better than donia and to others donia was better.
Please everyone it is not worth to fight just about a singing competition when other arabs in middle east are dying everyday.
I hope you can calm down and think twice before talking bad about a country, it is not polite.
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I wouldn't be suprised if they would disqualify moroco in future competitions...whatever excuses you are making up are for losers... you waist your time on singing competitions haha...your comments are filled with hate and it is true also when i saw dounia's fans i was shocked. You never won star academy not even 1 noble prize. I won't lower my self to a person with such hate and jealousy. I have one word: disgusting.
There is no mbc scandal and if you dont like it beat it cand go complain, you will just be disqualified thats how they do it in lebanon ;)
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The age of pharaons is over, dude ! Should I touch the ground with my forehead in front of your Umm al Dunia ? I have not said anything negative about "your country" - please read the posts ! - and it was the others who remarked that you masriyi suffer from the megalomania and have no sense of the fair play (and I am not going any further). Also, your compatriots on this page are trying to intimidate others ! So, how do you dare talking your nonsense !? And, please, do not use that demagogic prattle about dying ! This site is about the pop stuf, the trivialities; ask Waleg why it is not about the politics and religion !
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And why should ONLY Moroccans vote for Dounia to win???
This is the reality you don't understand or you don't want to understand (Egyptians only started voting for Carmen in the beginning of the show that's why she reached the Risk Zone twice because we all know what's keeping egyptians from voting to anybody nowadays God be with them)) But after All arabs started dreaming of her as THE ANGLE OF ARAB IDOL (because they really paid attention to he er and she managed with her talent to get to their hearts) everything changed & Carmen got waaaay more votes than Dounia did. Very simple & Logic right?
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Very nice names you just mentioned... LOL
Where did they start singing from again? Who was the common factor between all of them??? Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
You are sooo pathetic..
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digusting is pretty much as I would describe you :) And the feeling is well shared, you can be sure of that :) And many times Moroccan people have been the best contestants. You talk about Star Academy.. who was the real star of the season one? Moroccan Sofia El Marikh and Tunisian Ahmed El Cherif or the winner (Mohammed Attiah). Who was the real star of the second season? Tunisian Amani Souissi or the winner Hisham? And it could go long and long. The only Lebanese singer who was good was Joseph Attieh. Don't worry they cant disqualify Morocco because these shows are worth to watch only with North African contestants, withou Moroccan audiences (and North African audiences as a whole) they lose a big part of audiences, specially since we have great contestants. And Lebanon has no say in these shows, the land are used for the studio, because its the only country in the Middle East when you can have performers in small dresses. If this is "how its done in Lebanon" why they werent any Lebanese contestants? LOL, its a show from MBC, not LBC (which is also owned by Saudi Arabia lol).
We are pissed because the votes was a travesty
PS : Nawal is Syrian not Moroccan
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I am not pathetic, it's all over the internet that the title was supposed to be hers... It's also on Youtube
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FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, STOP THIS!!!!! THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND!
Be happy for eachother, eventhough it's difficult, even if your favorite contestant lost!
After every final prime a war is going on! When Joseph won, Lebanon got bashed, when Shada won she and Iraq got bashed, when Nader won a revolt was going on and so on and so on!
Stop bashing Morocco and stop bashing Egypt !!!
I thought the audience of this show would be a bit more mature...
Whether it was Carmen, Donia or Yousef who got the title, in two years they won't have brought out a single album or done anything that they can be proud of!
Some people are taking things way to seriously and have an obsession. Yes I also wanted Donia to win, yes I also think that she's better, but you know Donia herself is happy for Carmen, they were friends and Carmen would be happy for Donia.For the love of God, shake eachother's hand, congratulate eachother, get on with your lifes and buy Carmen or Donia's damned album or singles!
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Pal, you are missing the point ! You want that we shake hands and keep silent ?! I do not care who won - what I care about is the fraud ! Do you know how many million votes where given in this final - uncluding the gulf (where I am) ? If across the countries one vote was worth $ 1, that means at least a few millions for the MBC ! So, it is a big deal !!! The bastards get some obligations when they cash in so much money ! This is what we are talking about ! Do not play a Christ !In the starac they cheat much wiser anbd they are smart. What the MBC did is the robery ! I will never again vote in the MBC "competitions" !!!!!!!!!
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One more thing : it is not true that after "Shada won she and Iraq got bashed" ! You do not watch the starac. Bashing of the starac winner happened only in Joseph's case, because the LBC makes it all look possible, and after the first few seasons the public got used to the idea that rigging the results is part of the starac game. The Joseph's winning was slightly suspicious as people were used to the idea of the egyptian voting and thought he could not get it against Hani, but - it was also possible as in the gulf they liked more Joseph.
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In all those shows they cheat, we all know yet people keep on voting! What do you mean by "Star Academy cheats wiser"? Isnt that robbery aswell? If they would have cheated in favour of Donia, would there we so much commotion? Yes, but on the other side, and this side would just bring up the arguments they bring up right now "jealousy" "hatred" bla bla bla
And yes I want us to shake eachother's hand and act like adultsStarac comes along, so another nation will be found to bash!
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How many Egyptians bashed Shada? How many Jordanians bashed Nader? How many Palestinians bashed Future TV after Murad's departure? It's always like that! This time, helas, no exeption.
You said that the Egyptian voting is strong. Carmen is Egyptian...
I never trust these kind of shows when it's about voting, because they can tell you whatever they want. But these programs remain succesful, don't ask me why, there's more complaint about it then anything else.
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Saudi singer Rashed El Majed backed up Dounia. She signed with Platinum Records and has an album in process. There's already Gulf composers and writers working on songs. And she got a brand new Mercedes (estimated more expensive and luxurous than the Corvette offrered by General Motors) from a group of Emirati fans and an appartment at her name in Dubai. She is staying 10 days in Morocco then she will be flying to UAE to work on her new album
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Good for her and mabrouk!
I hope she won't stick to the Khaleeji songs and expand to the Lebanese, Egyptian and Maghrebi style!Now we can all leave this behind us: those with Carmen can support Carmen with her album and those with Donia can start supporting her! ;-)
7na Mgharba kantmanow ltawfiq la kol fenan 3arabi jdeed w inchAllah Donia wa Carmen yesharafouna shi marra fshi 7afla ra2ee3aSalamat
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Its not true Carmen is pretty. I watched her clips before the Idol and before the primes and she looks average or below that. Her voice is tiny like her body and with a lot of makeup she looks darling to some people, like some hobbit. The problem with hobbits on the stage is when they get a bit older they loose their charm. If she does cosmetic surgeries it will speed up the process. Contrary to some comments Dunia looks more appealing and natural. This is an impartial view as I am not fan of neither and find their singing average. Yousef was the most underestimated contestant in the show (as Carmen and Nadia the most over-rated) and it is shame he did not reach the final. He did not get anything so I am going to wish him best luck in the work after the show. Gooo Yuseeefff !!!!!!!
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Salam,
Let them talk, there is nothing we can do to educate them because they don't get the point. We are not talking about pride or history because every country has its own heritage, but we are talking about injustice. And by the same token, we are aware of their stereotypes, so we evoke that to educate ignorant people throughout the Middle East about the Maghreb in general.
We need to focus on our country and encourage our talents. At the end, Dounia is the winner; she gained a large public and will have a bright future.
My best friend is Egyptian, and Moroccans are not known to be haters but to speak out against all forms of injustice in a civilized way. The proof is that when Dounia came back to Morocco before the final, the Moroccan media focused on her and said nothing negative about Egypt or Egyptians, but we could clearly confirm the ignorance of some Egyptian media when they called Dounia "Fatma".
Anyway, as we say in Morocco, "we can't keep pouring water in sand". Good luck to Carmen and I wish they won't abuse her and her image. Good luck to Lebanon and Egypt as well, and I wish they can keep strengthening their "artistic" partnership and brotherhood. We have nothing against it. We just think that new Lebanese and Egyptians songs aren't as hard to sing as Moroccan or Khaliji songs. Accept it or not, it's the truth ("chakhbat chakhabit, akhasmak ah", and the list is long...)
And to be honest, I was always against attending upcoming concerts of Nancy, Elissa, and alike singers because their live performance in the primes was catastrophic, especially Elissa; I thought she was gonna fall on stage, and she reminded me of one of Amy Winehouse's concerts in Brazil...But I like Myriam Fares because although her voice is not too good, she shows interest in other cultures...
Peace and good luck to all of you!
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TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SAYS HOW COME EGYPT WON IN STAR ACADEMY ARABS GOT TALENT AND ARAB IDOL IN THE SAME YEAR :O OH GOD !!.. WAKE UP GUYS, EGYPT IS 80 MILLION CITIZEN AND I DON'T SAY THAT THEY ALL WATCH ARAB IDOL OR EVEN VOTE BUT IF ONLY 5 OR 10% OF THE EGYPTIANS VOTED THE COULD DO THEY COULD ACHIEVE THE IMPOSSIBLE AND WHO ARE SAYING THAT HOW COME DOUNIA ALWAYS TOOK THE HIGHEST PUBLIC VOTES YET SHE DIDN'T WIN, I WROTE THIS COMMENT TO TELL YOU THAT THE EGYPTIANS AREN'T IDIOTS TO VOTE EVERY WEEK WE ONLY VOTE A LOT IN THE IMPORTANT WEEKS WHEN WE FEEL THAT CARMEN COULD LEAVE LIKE THE SEMI FINAL AND ALSO DOUNIA DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD PERSONALITY (PLEASE WATCH THE LAST ARAB IDOL EXTRA AND U WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN) ALSO SHE IS NOT GOOD LOOKING AND IMPOLITE IN ADDITION ALL HER PHOTOS WITH MINI SKIRTS. ALSO A LOT OF CELEBRITIES SUPPORTED CARMEN WEATHER AN EGYPTIAN OR NOT IN ADDITION HER SMALL AGE MADE PEOPLE LOVE HER A LOT AND THEY SO HER AS A LEGEND AS HOW COME SHE SINGS SO BEAUTIFULLY AT HER AGE SO WHEN SHE WILL GROW UP HOW WILL HER SOUND BE?. In my opinion she and dounia are amazing but carmen's personality made her be loved by everyone and everyone wanted her to win as she is better than dounia. (I want to write a lot of other thing but my fingers hurted me from typing :P)
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I agree, Carmen is amazing !!!!!!! She has the best personality and looks terrific ! Shes very sweet and all people like her ! Her small age made her a sweethart to the judges. She is adorable, unspoiled and cute. She even wanted Dunia to win - that's how modest she is. Her voice is the best we've heard in all these shows and shes becoming a legend. When she grows up she'll be better than Umm Kulthum ! That shows how talented we Egyptians are ! And who is that Dunia ?! Shes ugly, untalented and I do not know how her king became interested in her ? Her perrsonality is bad, shes impolite and likes only herself. Please read the Masr newspapers ! No one across the arab world likes her. Here in the Umm al Dunia we are smart and waited until the end and we all voted for Carmen. Wake up people: 10% of Egypt voted for Carmen - 8 million people ! The busdrivers, the street-cleaners, even the small kushari vendors voted ! We in Egypt are all united and give away money even if we do not have it to feed our bog families, just to show how great we actually are. Masr is always the best !
I can go on typing but Ive said enough and everyone should believe it now. I am so glad my comment is - 100 !
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بآآآز دايرين راسنا فأشكال دون المستوى. قليل عندهم الزين داكشي علاش فرحانين بيها.
Masr Newspapers???? Who the hell reads biased newspapers?? Is Masr the World???? Gooood, what freaking idiots you are! Is this why you killed yourselves for a soccer game? Is this being "great" and "united", what kind of schizophrenic people are you? You can get that freaking title, it looks so cheap anyway! As everyone knows, 70% of rumors are true, and votes were almost hidden; in developped countries they let the audience see the voting process as they do for elections.Disgusting comments and disgusting mentality, and this is why we can't have a debate with you. Freaking arrogant Egyptians! The "We are masr, we are the "Oum Dounia" shitty sentence is disgusting; we are sick of it; say it to yourselves because not everyone is Egyptian!
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SHUT UP AND DON'T SAY THIS ABOUT EGYPT EVERYONE WISH TO BE AN EGYPTIAN AFTER THE REVOLUTION WE HAD MADE ALL THE EUROPEONS AND AMERICANS ARE PROUD OF US AND PLEASE IF U DON'T KNOW WATCH WHAT THE PRESIDENTS OF OTHER COUNTRIES SAID.AND U R CRITICIZING THE EGYPTIANS,,, I ONLY WANT TO TELL U THAT THEY ARE THE BEST CITZINES THAT ALWAYS CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER ALSO I WANNA TELL U THE FOOTBALL MATCH" KANET MODABARA" WHICH MEANS THAT MUBARAK MENS WHO DID IT AND PLZ DON'T SAY THIS AS THE ALGERIANS FOUGHT US WHEN THEY "WON" IN THE MATCH WHICH WAS BETWEEN US SO PLEASE IF U R MORROCIAN OR ALGERIAN U R THE SCIZOPHRENIC NOT US "EGYPTIAN AND PROUD TO BE"
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COME ON PEOPLE ! 90 MILLION MASRY , W MSH3YZNHA TEKSAB ? ER7AMOONA B2A !
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AND ALSO @ SUSU_egypt A5EERAN LA2EET NAS MABSOOTA LE CARMEN IN THIS SITE AND THEY ARE HAPPY FOR HER. Thanks for having people in my side.
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akid tb3n ya aya, ana msh3rfa leeh dayman beykraho el masryeen kda f ay 7aga!
w b3den ana nefsy afham y3ne haystafado eh lama yezawaro fel aswaat, el MBC dy msh qanaah masrya !! wala bayen y3ne en carmen mn 3eela ghanya msalan 3shan t2olo en hya daf3t rashwa 3shan tksb!! she's 17 for god's sake!! MOROCCO HAS A POPULATION OF ABOUT 35 MILLION PEOPLE AND EGYPT OF ABOUT LETS SAY 90 MILLION SO THATS ALMOST 3 TIMES AS MUCH AS MUCH AS THE POPULATION OF MOROCCO!
AND DON'T FORGET EN FY NAS AKID FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD VOTING FOR HER! I BOUGHT A CARD B 100 GENEH JUST TO VOTE FOR HER AND AM SURE FY NAS KTIR 3AMALO KDA.Donia is a GREAT voice ! super amazing, ma7adsh e3tarad 3ala keda , bs i do LOVE CARMEN everything about her, w msh 3shan ana masrya zayaha, wallahy if she's from anywhere on this planet i would've still voted for her, SHE'S JUST SIMPLY AMAZING.
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The only thing i can say is that since the begining of the show Dounia was a very confident singer Carmen too much nervous while singing. At the final, Dounia who was always strong was crying before the ceremony. looked very sad. Carmen seemed to be particularly happy and confident. Then, Dounia was always stating "well it was expected" ...even I didn't want to believe all the story of fake vote, now just analyzing all these facts, some thing for sure happened making Dounia feeling she was cheated...
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Why are you fighting & writing assignments over singers, & in doing so insulting each others nations? After everything we have all been through? I feel embarassed for you all. You didn't pick what nationality/ race/ creed/ ethnicity you are...God made you, & you could just as easily have been created a different nationality. I'm glad to say that I've never ever voted for anyone in these petty competitions & never will. Didn't even watch but I saw it briefly & one look at Ahlams face would frighten anyone off. Ragheb Alama can't sing for toffee so that's his credibility out of the window, & I have no idea who judge 3 is. Waste of money & time. All you're doing is making one Englishman by the name of Simon Fuller & the saudis that own mbc even richer. And the sponsors pepsi & cola (no longer heavily advertised in the West) are the reason why so many of your relatives are diabetic or/ & overweight. To the person saying the 2 finalists were ugly without makeup- Look in the mirror & do some growing up over there. And to the people that keep repeating how poor most Egyptians are; you should be considering how much more to life there is than a silly music contest rather than relating it to how many Egyptians are too poor to vote. The last thing the 'Arab' world needs is yet another singer singing love or national themed songs! It's boring. As an Egyptian I dont think I have any animosity in my heart towards anyone but reading half of the comments of here is just tragic. Tit 4 tat, 'we did this for you & you did nothing for us'...no wonder you as 'Arabs' or 'north Africans' or 'muslims' all hate each other, especially when you make it your sole purpose to keep dragging up the past OVER A SINGING COMPETITION. Moronic. And yes I wrote a considerable amount but I shall say no more beyond the fullstop.
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I am Egyptian and I strongly believe that Dounia should have won. She is 100% better than Carmen. Go Donia.. She will rise to fame soon more than Carmen. I do not know what charm are you talking about in Carmen's voice. She is boring and monotonic while Dounia, has it all, the charisma, voice, appearance , feeling ..e.t.c.
sally
Mar 24, 2012
i guess we knew she's the winner .i dont understand why moroccans even try they will never win because of racism and i m telling u it's not the vote ....
we love you dounia u know you r the best u don t need to win to prove it ...
peace