I must admit, that was the most emotional elimination by far. I had tears in my eyes.

good luck asmaa althought i was so hapy for zaher today i was so upset:(

I know, I felt bad for Adnan!!!

my favorites are :zaher of course and nader mostafa

it was very sad today even though asma isnt one of my faves but i felt bad for mirhan cuz of the situation she was is and for adanan and did u notice when mirhan came to apoligze i felt like adnan hated her, i really like mirhan if it was anyone else they wudnt have went and apologized i cant believe chahinaz talks about mirhan nehind her back and i thoght diaa was mirhans best friend not chahy but whatev mustafa is the best to be he is so cute and talented.

BEST GUYS: MUSTAFA NADER ZAHER
BEST GIRLS: MIRHAN AMAL B, AMAL M

I USED TO LIKE DIAA BUT SHES A TRADER

HEY HEY PEEPS!!!
I AM SOOO BORED SO LETS DO A ABOUT ME SEGMENT !!! no TOO personal info!! PLZ NO NO NO !!! well i am 13 live in the usa i am from PLAESTINE(lebanon) , and algeria( hahakind of like amal b and zaher !!! haha!!!! I am best friends with doumou(deana) in fact we are on the phone right now!!!! I love star acad. i would DIE with out it !! jk but yeah and i love music and yeah!! NOW YALLL DO IT!!

HEY HEY PEEPS!!!
I AM SOOO BORED SO LETS DO A ABOUT ME SEGMENT !!! no TOO personal info!! PLZ NO NO NO !!! well i am 13 live in the usa i am from PLAESTINE(lebanon) , and algeria( hahakind of like amal b and zaher !!! haha!!!! I am best friends with doumou in fact we are on the phone right now!!!! I love star acad. i would DIE with out it !! jk but yeah and i love music and yeah!! NOW YALLL DO IT!!

hahaha i don't her eighther hahahah

heyyy guyzz plzzzz can somebody tell me what did nader say to manal????and what did diaa and merihan tell her???i missed the dailies todayyy thank you ..plzzzzz

I was sad not because Asma left because Zaher stayed.. I should go and thank who voted for Asma:-
Starting by Diaa, Amel M, Adnan, Saad and Ending with Abdullah.
I object with those who thought that zaher is better :
starting with nader, shahinaz, mostafa, mohamed, bader, ending with mirhan>>>

TOZ FIHOMMMM

Can someone please explain the story of Nader that happened today in the dailies. What's going on with him and Mirhan? Somethin about the Eval etc.... I didn't get it.

Omg Adnan was so cute, he loves asma so much, It was so sad, i hope nader is happy now you trader.

I wonder how you girlz talking about adnan in his good way he is only a bad guy who love all girlz and have no respect for anyone of them..

He should go out . go to you tube and see how he made Kuwaiti ppl angry from him

O.M.G! people stop calling Nader a traitor, its such a heavy word, and Nadoor is the sweetest guy ever! Please think logically not mentally , Nader chose for friendship, not nationality, and this shows that he is loyal, descent and great friend, you don't find many people like him these days!!!! And it was Mirhan's final decision that got Asma out, so thiiiink before you speak please, poooor Nadoor! < He is such an amazing , sweet guy! ^^

Can someone plz explain the story that was going on between him and Mirhan.

Guys i promise u that one of them both Adnan or Asma sooner or later are goin' to leave the academy & there will be alot of drama & tears, but actually it was gonna be better if adnan had left first to see asma disastrous reaction at least she is a girl she can weep as much as she want but come on he is a man not like this he acted so childish & as a teenager, he need to grow up a lil bit actually..... so much. anyway i'm not blaming any guy for crying for any reason but not this way this is too much god give men more power to handle situations that are tougher 10000000 times than this.

why you stil hater his only 19 and never been in love before asma was his first love it was real feeling no act there so shut up like all the midel pple do every think under table so go remember your brother never did any think rong with another girl or your boy friend or it is ok to be under table so shout your mouth of who judje people i think he try to hide behinde his sin .peace

Today was the saddest day ever in the academy. I cried watching the dailies today and I cried more when I read in Panet about Adnan. I feel so bad for Adnan today. He really like Asmaa and it did show today. Adnan you can’t hide your love to Asmaa and today we seen it. I missed Asmaa so much she deserve to stay but it’s a game and we need to move on. There is nothing we can do right now. Today was sooooooooooo boring just like the prime. I wish her good luck. Asmaa is a STAR in our eyes. She will do well now out side the Academy. The Academy did lose a STAR yesturday. Adnan’s love to her couldn’t let her concentrate in her work.

Adnan it is very sad that Asmaa left but it is time for you to improve and concentrate in your work. Do it for Asmaa be strong and she will be very happy if you want far. We love you Asmaa and Adnan you will be a cute couple. Good luck to both of you. Asmaa don’t give up now this is your time to pursue your dream. Asmaa the STAR. Remember you are only 16 and you will be a Star before all of them. You guys that hate Asmaa just wait and see.

Diaa, Adnan, Saad, Abdlellah, and Amal M really showed today how much they care and have a good heart about their friend. Not like the others even though I like them all. Amal B congratulation I am happy that you are back because you deserve another chance. Amal B you don’t need to be that exited because it only happens once. They all got high votes the first time and than they leave for their next nomination. You better work hard or you will follow Asmaa.

To all Diaa’s haters she did what they told her to do. She is not the one that chose the song or said this is how I will perform it. The whole talblue doesn’t match the song. If she was dressed up like Merhan did in the Haifa’s song. I think you guys will like it than. This is not a good song any way I don’t belive the academy let the student sing that kind of a trashy song. But Diaa did really good singing it. It’s the surrounding and the close that don’t go with the song. Give the girl a break she does have a great voice. The people that said she screams you guys are bunch of haters. What’s about Mohamad he doesn’t scream but Diaa does. Wake up guys. They both have a strong voice. Be fair you guys. You are free to like who ever you want but please some respect to others. We are all human been.
To the person that said diaa looked like the cows in stage. That is soooooooooo wrong, rude, and mean. If you are a human been you don’t say that. Think about your god and start praying from now on. Because what you said is bad. I will pray for god to help you because you need a lot’s of help. I feel sorry for you.

I like all the students. I wish them all luck. We got so attached to them all now. It will be so hard to lose any one and we saw that today. Asmaa we missed you the academy is boring without you.

Love you Asmaa
Love you Diaa
Love you Saad
Love you Adnan
Asmaa, Diaa, Saad, and Adnan best friends for ever.

Peace

Amal B is 22 not 28!!!!!

Abdulaziz,
I'm sure you have female relatives. How would you feel if you see, in print.....for the whole world to see, them described as sluts, tarts or heartless hookers? How very thoughtless, heartless and tasteless of you.

Disagree with someone's choice, opinion or action, but don't go calling them names, as harsh as the above.....especially when you know absolutely nothing about them other than the edited material (there's a 30 - 45 minute delay on transmission) that we are shown.

You're right Asma is under-aged and really should not have been allowed on this show, especially since she came with an agenda that did not include working on her musical talent. She had no chance of making it through another week without being nominated for elimination again, so it was best to just rip the bandaid off once and for all. Voting her off, does not, however, make Mirhan a whore as you mentioned under another thread. She had to make a choice and either way she wasn't going to please everyone or even herself, but she was left with the final word and she said it.

It looks like you're adding a second name to use for target practice, namely the other Egyptian, Chahinaz. So now, she has a weak and limited voice? Hmmmm??!! It's ok for you to not like these two girls...that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Heck, it's ok for you to not like all Egyptians...and I'm sure that none of the 78 + million Egyptians will be affected over such an insignificant fact, but please......don't you start bad mouthing people because you're totally frustrated over a GAME for crying out loud.

Take a deep breath, calm down, count to a hundred or a million, if that's what it takes, but please control yourself and always remember.....that what goes around, comes around. I'd hate to think that someone in Mirhan's family had to read your very tasteless description of someone who wouldn't know you (or care to, for that matter) if she tripped over you on the street.....a total stranger!! Just put yourself in their shoes for a sec and think about how much you'd hate reading or hearing something like that about someone you love.

Finally, if this show is ticking you off so much....why not hit that little button at the top of your clicker and be done with it once and for all. No point in watching something that obviously brings out the worst in you, right?

Peace.

nada i advice to see what wadih told saad today and then say he is the only one who sings propely!

#1. You cant compare seasons as to which was best. They are all unique.

#2. As for all of us arguing here about who has to leave when, it doesnt even matter. It is pretty obvious who is going to be in the finals.
Mohammad, Shahinaz, Saad, and Abdallah.
Because in the end the ones with the most powerful voices go to the finals regardless of personality or popularity.

#3. Last season they showed Shada fighting with all the others, with reason considering they were so immature compared to her.
They showed Carlo, who although had an incredible, incredible voice, was an arrogant and moody boy.
They both had haters and werent praised for their sometimes difficult personalities, but they still went to the finals because of their talent.
The same will happen this year. So I reccomend you guys dont get to cought up in this game so early because all of these students will be eliminated at some point, and there can only be one winner.
Does it matter if Asma left this week or the next? Not really, Either way she wasnt going to win and we all know this.

#4.People who claim Nader is a traitor. Far from it. Im not a fan of his voice, nor do i think he has a chance of winning. But he is NOT a traitor. Actually, for all those who vote based on nationality, they are the traitors to the arab people, because they create divison amongts them. Like saying "oh youre maghrebi so you deserve my vote more" is dividing the arab world.
What the heck does nationality have to do with talent?!
This is about choosing the best singer!
Although, you might argue Asma is better than Zaher at singing, she didnt work hard. And sometimes hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard.

#5. The people who can entertain and have some popularity but not much talent get a little farther.
For example Sally, Tina, Ahmad, Imad last year.
Probably Dia, Mirhan, Nader, and Zaher this year.
The two Amals can be added to this list also.
They are kept there for ratings and entertainment because they put on a decent show, but lord knows they will never become huge stars. They are there to fill in the void.

#6. They always keep people who have romances going on to a certain point.
In the end, you wont be a sucesseful singer because of a silly romance right? But it will keep people watching the show.

Point being, dont take it so seriously. Nationality, personality, or romance dont make the winner. Talent does. Seasons One and Two made a mistake in regards ot this.
Third season took talent seriously, and you had Joseph win. Who deserved it. Although I would have liked Shayma in the finals instead of Hana.
Fourth season, Shada, who sometimes outsung the professional guests and deserved that title more so than anyone in the hisotry of the show.
Hopefully, this season will follow suit and not repeat the mistakes of Season One and Two.

And finally, You will never have anything to do with these people, so stop defending them as if your life depended on it. Just enjoy the show and take it for what it is, ENTERTAINMENT.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
does anyone know why Zaher did that bad on Lady in Red? I mean he did not know a single word, didn't even say the word Lady in Red!!! Did they play the wrong song for him? He totally made up the words and sang on the fly. It was soooooooo funny!!!

Was there an explanation by Zaher or anyone?

Nada

I should not reply to low class like you but i will, who the hell are you to tell me if i can watch the show or not, i do what ever i want, i say what ever i want and i will trash saad and rola as much as i want so if you dont like it dont come to this website and dont read the comments.
Again, saad you are the star just because rola likes you. she will do anything to make sure you win, so to all saad's fans start celebrating from now, because saad academy for this year season 5 already started the parties for him.

hi proudmoroccan i cant beleive that u cried. today was just the day were i met the most emotional moroccan guy in my life he was so sweet when talking to his wife it was just amazing. am moroccan too from illinois but ive never thought that my countrymen were that emotional maybe i will start changing my mind. also u seem very into starac i wonder how much u spend watching it. i don't keep on that long usually but smtimes after a long day in college i like to take a quiq look here and there.

Madam rola yesterday told Zaher on 24/24 channel that he impressed her and all teachers coz when he totally forgot the song he pulled himself togother and made up a new song with new words and even he made the people behind her back wonder what is the name of the song and who is the singer.She said u were so confident and u kept singing and similing all the time and this takes courage and Stage presence,and charisma.She was so happy that he didnt stop singing,or throw the mick or even leave the stage.Thats way iam so happy coz u were in a difficult sitiation and u made up this new song immediatlly without showing fear or pressuse .she even said iam going to recored that new song for u so u can hear it.Any way she likes Zaher as well as i do and now even more .as for those that Said that Nader is a traitor ;he is not ;he voted for his friend .what about Diaa when she voted fOr jessica instead of Imen from Tunis?

hey guys i heard that wajdi lakhal from tunis of star academy 3 in changing his religion just for a girl plzzzzzzz tell me is this is right?
well dont like wajdi but i want to know

diaa not trader but when you have person like shahinaze tolking toyou all time and tellen you what other do rong you will start to belive it so it not her foult it el bad elnesnas elbewaswes begoul elnas. shahinz and moham olways tolk about others and olways judje people that what i don't like .any way mirhan is a player she is all over with every one mostafa. nader. zaher beta3 koulo.

E, u r right...sine shahinaz and diaa started this weight loss team n they ar getting closer...and that ok...but diaa always seemed to me as some 1 with a strong personality..that is why i cant just believe that she easily would go along anything shahinaz says.

i dont hate shahinaz...she actually has one of the most beautiful voices in starac history...but i dont like her performance tht much...neither her charcter...she n mohamed r kind hearted am sure but they act most of the time without thinking, thts y they get into trouble so much.

Zaher 4-ever!

I think that Amal b sang Najwa's song as if she wanted to fight someone, sorry but she may have charisma, but she doesn't have agood voice. Dia's voice is so loud and it really hurts the ears to listen to her.
The people who fans of Saad don't know much about music, they're probably teenagers, so dont' blame them.
If you want professional opinions about who is good or not, listen to Fouad because he is a professor in music and has discovered many a famous singer
I really don't believe that an engagement warrants that much attention, unless it was between 2 of the students.
So what..... His sister got engaged, should we call CNN
Enough already

First of all, I agree with anyone that said that Saad is getting the royal treatment. Rola is pampering him like crazy. for friend of the week his whole village came to the academy, but when Mirhan got friend of the week, they gave her some paper and coloring supplies! what was that about. Saad sings alone every prime,,, and people could someone answer me but I think that this upcoming prime it's going to be on saturday PLEASE TeLL me that's not true!
To the people that said Diaa sang horribly in that Wind UP song,, well your wrong. The performance wasn't her best not because of her, but because of the stupid song that they picked. What's the girl going to do,, tell Rola that I'm not going to sing in this Tableau and do as Mohammad did walk away.. Or is she going to tell Elissar that I'm not going to dance like that because it makes me look stupid. Diaa has a lot of respect towards the teachers therefore she doesn't oppose any song they give her! Give Diaa a break, she's brilliant,, no one wants to comment on how she sang with Alessandro Saffina right, he said her voice is very strong and she's full of energy! Stop trashing Diaa!
-I miss you ASMA!!

Well, i have a different opinion from all the people here concerning the voting. I mean people let's be frank! Each one of the student is in the academy to follow his OWN dream, not the dream of anyone else which is becoming famous. I do not think people are silly to believe that the students are in a diplomatic mission to represent their country! Come on! Everybody loves his country, it is quite normal BUT please i want to understand what do nationalities, countries and flags have to do in a show like starac! I am tunisian and i really find it silly the people who carry flags in the prime, i mean i love my country and i do not need to hold a flag to prove it. The same for students who apparently remember their love accidently after each nomination or during the sms night. It is all silly! This program is about ART and friendship and both of them do NOT have nationality!

to people who think that the voting must be according to the nationality,they are really stupid,and if nader is traitor just because he chose his friend zaher (from al mashriq al 3arabi)over asma (from al ma3'reb al 3arabi),then saad and 3adnan are traitors too because they do the same thing ,i mean they chose their friend and not the nationality !!!!!
come on people don't be that stupid ,every one is free to vote to anyone he want so don't be subjective and think before you talk

ok thank you very much soso!! ZAHER NADER MOSTAFA MOHAMMAD ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!

any 1 tel me how l can send smsnite chat?l dont see saud arabia number?can any1 reply me lizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz plizzzzzzzzzz

Sorry guys, but Saad only looks good to u all, because the ones with the real talent don't get shown because Rula is so afraid that if Saad sings nexxt to someone who really has a good voice , he will outshine him, like there no tommorrow,
And to Dia's fans, I am american arab, and sorry guys, but if u hear what real talent sounds like, you will see. She Has None!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also why does Rula choose songs that either sound like someone having S-- or titled undress me, come on

any 1 plizzzzzzzzzzzzzz tel me how to send sms nite 2day from saudi arabia any reply plizzzzzzzzz

Someone was aking about the prime this week, i think it will be on saturday because this friday is the Good Friday, so they will move it to saturday for sure.
Thats what they did last year.

if nader is a traitor ?? what is diaa??
she made the same thing she voted for jessica over iman ?? werent iman from tunisia and diaa from maroc?? so she didnt choose her nationality too...
so dont be like this he chose his friend dont make it a big deal
asma wasnt good that much she came to live a love story not to improve herself:S:s
any way good luck for all the candidates
goooo NADER , CHAHINAZ , ABDALLAH , SA3D , MOSTAFA

i agree with you Minime abut what you said regarding the voting. But Merhina nominee??/ i highly doublt it maybe in a few weeks. I disagrre with you saying how adnan sung lovleg.. In Amr Dib's song Mohammad sang way better. I mean he is improviing but some songs are meant for certain people. Diaa's song was HORRIBLE! iT probably wasn't her fault, because Thos types of song like i said before reqiure certain voices which isn't in Diaa cabibility. The song sounded realy bad and wasn't the same as the real son. I would know cause i live in the US. Saad does have a good voice but i dont think that bringing his sister is overdoing anything.

Emme:

I am not watching the StarAc live anymore. In the off-hand daily jargon it is stinking and sinking ... However, as I have been watching it since the first season I'll need some time to adjust to no watching it at all, and will have some peek on and off.
If anyone was "heartless," Mirhan and Shahinaz were - the first one because she lied and was looking for her small interests (not the big ones, like having Asma as a rival); the second one because she stabbed her protegee in the back.

The "whole world" you are mentioning are just the few hundred younger people in the English speaking countries, mostly of the Arab origin, who come to this forum. This forum - as such - is a channel for expressing some morality issues, in this case regarding the show and what we observe in it. That is why you will find other comments targeting Mirhan and her "light weight." In an Arab country they would say explicitly she behaves like a hooker. I did not want to insult anyone, neither I know her personally, just wanted to label that kind of behavior appropriately - in the line of the traditional Arab morality.

What was "thoughtless" was my piling the synonyms for the same concept, as I was under the mild shock of what I saw. You could say it was an Arab eloquence. I am sorry I was not born in the North America or England to keep my lips tight. I could have used less harsh "names" but in English too they are never mild; as the communities around the world have no tolerance for the behavior these words are used for.

The first word I used for Mirhan was just prompted by what she did - despite what she was saying in the days before. Also, it was a culmination of her loose attitude. I am glad you see that Asma was there at all just thanks to the Madame (of the house of the good repute).

About Shahinaz - an Egyptian as the target - you are getting off the tangent ! In that paragraph you just follow your speculations. As her action was a cold shower for me I had to "take out" what was subliminally present anyways. I'll address two points you are making. First, about her singing. She is the "best gal" this season, as I said before, but - in general - her singing is overrated. You are using a false word - I did not say "weak voice" - I said that - her range is narrow. If you have ears you can hear it; that is why she could not stay on in the Cairo opera. That is fine. I said I like her singing and it can never be my "target." I doubt her decision; and, I see that Shahinaz has sometimes a very cold rational attitude and other times apparently is carried away with irrational outbursts of sobbing; and putting all that together, with her good stage acting (in primes), I ask myself, naturally, where the acting stops and where the genuine emotion starts ? Again, when I listen to somebody sing I am not interested in her personality.

Dear Emme, I lived in Alexandria, though not for long, but, and know Egyptians much better than you - now or ever. That you are pooling out the nationality issue is something that I do not want to comment on.

Mirhan's family does not care for the criticism their daughter receives, as I am sure some gets to their ears. Mirhan is her own woman and takes care of herself; the way she does it some people do not like and I am one of them. If I offended you Mirhan - I am sorry !!However, I would never sit at the same table with you. And, Mirhan, you too could pay notice of what Emme says: what goes around, comes around ...

Abdelaziz,

Before I start, please allow me to clarify one small point. I'm half American and half Egyptian and even though I haven't lived in Egypt all my life, I do now - have been living here for seven years and I think I can safely say that I know Egypt and Egyptians far more than you do.

I neither see most of the points made in your post, nor do I agree with your various attempts to explain why you've lashed out at Mirhan or labeled her or her actions one way or another.

You wrote:

"If anyone was "heartless," Mirhan and Shahinaz were - the first one because she lied and was looking for her small interests (not the big ones, like having Asma as a rival); the second one because she stabbed her protegee in the back."

1. Mirhan neither lied, nor promised her support to Asma. She consoled her when she was unhappy about her nomination, but other than that it was clear as daylight to everyone that she was going to vote for either Zaher or Amal B if it came down to a vote between them and Asma. And besides, this is a game and everyone has to start voting tactically to look after their own best interest and not that of a love-lorn 16 year old! And what, pray tell, are her small interests? What are you insinuating?

2. What in the name of Christmas are you talking about regarding Asma being Chahinaz's protegee? Who the hell died and and made her the mentor at StarAc 5? Chahinaz was never asked, nor did she ever accept the role of mentor and besides, at StarAc each of them is on their own and no one is there to play nanny, tutor or mentor to their fellow students. And Asma would've never accepted becoming Chahinaz's protegee. Chahinaz isn't worthy of mentor status yet. So, please stop making up stories.

You speak of Arab morality in a holier-than-thou manner. Who died and made you the morality authority?? C'mon man, you don't call someone a hooker or label their behavior as that of a hooker just because they didn't appeal to you or voted someone you like off the show. A hooker, as any dictionary would describe, is someone who performs sexual acts for money. I don't think that any of the females at StarAc have done anything to suggests having performed such lewd acts.

You wrote:

"The first word I used for Mirhan was just prompted by what she did - despite what she was saying in the days before. Also, it was a culmination of her loose attitudeI am .

1. What did Mirhan do? And what did she say? She did nothing other than console a distraught Asma but never promised her a thing. Mirhan was under no obligation whatsoever to vote for Asma. She found herself in a nasty spot when she had to be the tie-breaker, but why weren't all the other candidates who voted for Zaher rather than Asma called names and declared immoral as well if that is your measure for morality or lack thereof?

And what culmination of her loose attitude? Who are you to judge? Don't do that. I'm sure you have females in your family. How would you feel if anyone of them was judged the way you're judging Mirhan?

"I am glad you see that Asma was there at all just thanks to the Madame (of the house of the good repute)."

No, I don't see that Asma was there as a part of a Roula Saad grand scheme. Asma was there on her own merit and it was just very sad to see how recklessly she blew such a wonderful opportunity . Two years ago, the winner of StarAc France was a chubby, baby-faced 17 year old called Magalie, who from the very first day worked her tail off to prove that she was just as worthy of the opportunity she was given as the 38 year old father of two who was competing for the same title. There were love stories happening in the background, fights, activities and a whole bunch of other distractions, but this girl never once lost sight of her goal and went on to nab the title, 1 million Euros and proved to the world that her young age was never an obstacle. Asma did none of the above. She has a good voice, but didn't do a thing to enhance that God-given gift and preferred to be part of a soap opera. And for crying out loud, don't get started on Roula Saad now. Please stop trashing women just because they don't meet your very high standard on a game, of all things.

You wrote: (about Chahinaz)

"that is why she could not stay on in the Cairo opera."

Says who? You speak with such authority, and I'd love to know your source. Mind you, I can easily check that, but before I do, I'd really like to know your source.

You wrote:

"Mirhan's family does not care for the criticism their daughter receives, as I am sure some gets to their ears."

Again, may I ask you how you know that? Care to share your source for this piece of information? Have you spoken to either one of her parents or her brother or even little sister to know that for sure?

You wrote:

"Mirhan is her own woman and takes care of herself; the way she does it some people do not like and I am one of them."

So, don't like it. That's your opinion and you're totally entitled to it, but that doesn't mean that you can publicly declare a smear campaign on someone who, at this moment, is neither aware of you dragging her name through the gutter, nor is she able to counter-attack or defend herself.

You wrote:

"If I offended you Mirhan - I am sorry !!However, I would never sit at the same table with you."

I'm sure she wouldn't want to sit at the same table with you either if she ever reads all the colorful expletives you've hurled her way at a time when she had no way of even knowing that this was happening.

You wrote:

"And, Mirhan, you too could pay notice of what Emme says: what goes around, comes around ..."

I suggest you do so first, Abdulaziz. Life has a way of dealing the same nasty blows we so mindlessly hurl at others right back at us when we least expect them.

With this said, I hope we can lay this issue to rest.

Peace to all.

Emme..
I admire u so much.. u're objective and classy in ur comments.. way to go girl..

regardless to who u support most.. and away from all StarAcademy.. I think u're a winner and anyone who gets ur vote and support should really be proud =)

Emme
nice put i really admire the way u defend ur pt of view

Relationship stories come and go. Who will remember what X told Z , 2 weeks from now? Candidats are human beings and they react to situations like human beings. In all families, members of the same family will disagree, fight, talk in the back of one another, interfer.... Make peace with it! It's human nature and no matter how much you are aware of cameras and people watching you, at one point or another your true nature comes out. What we (the viewers) have to come to grip with is that these people have their flaws like you and I, and EVERY HUMAN BEING. No body is perfect. So stop judging them on every move they make every day, and focuss on their overall behaviour and more especially on their talents. One day they will be sweet, another day they might be grumpy or mean, etc. Who wouldn't, considering the hard, stressfull work they go through week after week? Overall ,I see them as great Arab kids who are trying their best to stay in this competition as long as possible. Yes, sometimes they make voluntary or unvoluntary mistakes. Keep in mind that they are coming from different parts of the Arab world and what might be offending to some viewers might be totally acceptable to some others. As we all know, Arab countries have a lot in commun but at the same time they are DIFFERENT in so many way. Even in each single country people have so many different ways of thinking or behaving! So, instead of criticising our differences and trying to convince others that one's view of the world is the only RIGHT view, I suggest that we start making an effort to understand and learn from each other as well as respect one another. With all the modern technologies that we have now, we are going to interact more and more with each other. This is the way of the futur and NOBODY can NO LONGER stay in a closed, secure and familiar world and pretend that there is only one way, or claim that "my" way is the best way. Those who think like that are in for some painful wake ups. So, please, let's express our opinions with some respect and civility, and let's spare each other insults and trashing of the candidats. Frankly it only makes the badmouthers look rude and without manners nor education.
Please, excuse my long speech. It comes from my wholehearted desire to see us, arabs of all faiths and cultures, more united, more accepting, more tolerant and more loving toward each other.
I would like to end this comment with my warmest and sincere thanks to all the candidats and to Star Academy for entertaining us so nicely week after week. I wish them the best. ET QUE LE MEILLEUR GAGNE!

Salam from Morocco!

Emme:

Thank you for the reply; I do appreciate it. I did not doubt you have some connection with Egypt and thank you for telling me. I believe that after seven years you must be on the right way to understand your environment pretty well.

I am glad you do not agree with me - that is why we are in the forum! If we all had to agree about everything all the communication would evaporate and end up in a tepid adoring of each other, as Rika and you would perhaps like. This is a forum, although a factitious one, virtual, and in the forum I have right to say what I think is worth saying.

General

Your points are: (1) Asma was in the StarAc by her own choice; (2) there were no obligations on Mirhan's part towards her; and (3), Mirhan does not deserve to be called names. Am I correct? OK. Formally and legalistically you are right on all the points. However, behind these points there are some issues.

(1)
In what countries 16-year old girls make their own choices? Perhaps in the US. Ask anyone from Morocco who has lived enough in the US if there are any differences between 16-year old girls in the US and Morocco, or any Arab country, and you will hear it! There is a big difference. Asma had a wish that could be realized only through the careless un-thinking of her parents and the greedy company from other country. The StarAc is not a "singing competition" - it is a reality TV for which under-aged girls are not suitable! Thanks to the Madame (of the house of the good repute), the StarAc managing director, Asma was hired; and could be kept in the show thanks to the fact the show is in another country where Moroccan authorities have no jurisdiction and where domestic authorities do not care much for the foreign labor, if they are minors or not. At the beginning of the show on this forum I tried to underline this kind of breach of the good business practices by the LBC.

(2)
No one had formal obligations towards Asma, but it does not mean she could have been treated the same way as other several years older students. And she was not. You have noticed how Saad and Dia treated her, with warmth and protection. What was wrong about it? Asma felt isolated in that bunch of reckless youth with their horseplays and talks she could not fit in because of her age. She needed support, unofficial, human. Mirhan promised to support her all the way (see dailies), and at the crucial moment she deceived her.

(3)
Have you noticed a lot of children in the primes? The StarAc primes are the family show. How do you think an Arab family feels around TV when Mirhan appears on the stage and shakes her bottom in the hot pants? Is that good to view with the children? Do not tell me "there is a small button, and if ..." You can say, but look at the close-ups of all the female parts they give you during the show of other performers. True, the LBC is doing that, but why should Mirhan follow the suit to the limit, and how come she readily takes orders of the Madam and Shahinaz does not (did not want to wear what Rola was asking from her). Together with the dailies viewers judge this kind of behavior in a negative way, what you can find on this forum as well. The expletives are not necessary, but soft characterizations do not expressed it either. I think I went perhaps too far, and calling such behavior just "loose" would have been enough; but, the concept is still the same, any way you call it.

Specifics

1.
You have seen the "Weakest link" show? The StarAc is not much different and I understand how the students vote. Mirhan promised her "support" all the way to Asma; it implies the vote too. Asma was not in love; she just participated in the role the Madame assigned to her. I am not insinuating anything: Mirhan's "small" interest was to have Zaher around, a week or longer, rather than a snotty baby she was not even aware of most of the time.
2.
You know that I did not mean literally a "protegee;" but the way Saad was having with her, or Dia. Why do you think Asma was paired with Shahinaz? Was that only practical, or even at random? I wouldn't say. In the earlier seasons less accomplished students were looking for guidance of the top students. For instance, did you see last year how much time Marwa and Tina were giving to others; or how Khaled (this year) was receiving help from Saad and Muhammad?
3.
I speak about morality in a very practical sense. The word "hooker" is not important by itself and is not meant to be taken literally. I am sure you see that.
4.
(your 2nd part, #1) You are repeating your 1st point. OK. Mirhan promised to support her all the way; what others who voted for Zaher never did. Nader did not have any doubt, he voted for his friend. Why did Mirhan waver when her turn came, if she new what she was going to do? A 25 year old woman "confused" ?
5.
No one in my family (or friends) would ever consider taking part in a reality TV show.
6.
Comparing French StarAc and the Lebanese is mixing apples and oranges. The LBC StarAc is unique in the world as no other StarAc has students from different countries. You forget that staying in your country, with parents nearby, with different regime of living, makes a huge difference! The French girl you mention had the support and could not loose her focus. It has nothing to do with what Asma had to go through, by leaving Marocco for thousands miles behind her and all the world she grew up in until then and to lend in a soap opera with some role assigned to her (the Adnan thing).
7.
What "wonderful opportunity" ? How many students passed through the StarAc and what are these "opportunities" they are benefiting from? You sound like Gabi talking to Khaled, or somebody who works for the LBC. All that baloney is for the LBC's benefit, as all these "fortunate" students once out disappear for ever! So far there have been just a handful we have heard of after their days of glory in the StarAc. Of course, lot of them now work for the LBC as the reporters and we hear about them too. That is what Carlo, the last season's "star" is doing now. The same will happen to these current candidates as well. In two years time if you hear about one-two of them you will be surprised. Shada is the only exception.
8.
When you lack arguments your phrase is always "do not start on" ... I have already said what I think about Madame Rola and her house of the good repute.
9.
The StarAc game is dirty; I do not expect high standards from it; but, it could be founded better, on the fair principles. One of them could be that students are not allowed to vote.
10.
About Shahinaz and her affiliation with the Cairo opera I have no "source." I am just expressing my opinion, that her voice has narrow range, and as such she cannot undertake an operatic role.
11.
About Mirhan's family I am making just a hypothetical assumption; based on her nature and what was provided in the StarAc portrait of her. I am not heading any smear campaign, this forum is too small for such a thing. Mirhan does not have to know about the forum at all: it is not her that I am criticizing but her behavior and what it represents.
12
I am not hurling any "nasty blows" at her, I am just addressing this forum; you are exaggerating things.

Conclusion

You sound like Condoleezza Rice in the Middle East, with lot of black and white tags in the pocket. Preaching American values with no ear for other values in the world is not very persuasive.

Emme,

thank you kindly for replying. You did not have to use citations all the way through your response; the paragraphs were numerated. My feedback will be shorter; hope it would not imply the lack of appreciation for your effort, or that I am not responding with an equal measure of concern back to you. The reason for the relative brevity of my reply is the impression that we have reached the saturation point, in using the means at hand, this forum, on one hand, and on the other, we have also reached an impasse in the communication. You say "visibility is totally unclear;" it may mean that there is no coherence in what you read, or that you are not willing to perceive what you read. I am not saying that what I gave you to read is crystal clear, whatever it should mean, yet, it is not incoherent either, and there is some sense that can be inferred in the text. More likely it is the second possibility, that you are not willing to hear; because you just want to repeat your chosen mantra, or for some personal reason, as this rude guy is attacking an innocent defenseless female, or for whatever other reason ... This s my interpretation (only).

Minor points (the same order as yours)

0.
If I "brought it on myself" what makes you believe I am going to cringe under your heavy barrage ?
1.
Knowing Egyptians: how I can be in a contradiction if I allow you to have some understanding too; or, you just want to exchange the roles and be yourself an authority?
2.
Freedom of choice for the 16 year old girls: the freedom is limited by the local culture. The 2nd part: addresses the whole psychological make up, and it differs significantly, you being willing to see it or not.
3.
Asma's presense in the show: her problem, the LBC has nothing to do with it (and her failure - her choice). We are on the opposite ends - there is no compromise.
4.
The Moroccan authorities did complain about Asma's presence in the StarAc indeed. The info comes from the Moroccan who participates on the forum ("Maghrebi from Belgium"), who read it in his country's newspapers. Having seen this person's comments for some time, and finding them all very moderate, I do not have reason not to believe him. If I was to write about my speculations I would say so. If asked, I am sure this individual could provide more info. I will ask him to provide additional info (on the tomorrow's daily page).
5.
Asma's choice not to be part of the group: if you do not fit it is not a "choice;" if you are adult you find the way around ,,, We are on the opposite ends - there is no compromise.
6.
I did not say that Mirhan was under obligation to treat Asma as a friend.
7.
Asma's isolation: her problem not the group's. Again, she is not an adult, and a group, if a group, takes care of all. Or, just the "bad match" R.Saad made in forming the group. We are on the opposite ends - there is no compromise.
8.
Mirhan did not promise the vote: she was implying all the support; explicitly she did not say anything about voting, right.
9.
The show is for the general public, a family show: that is what I am saying all along, for Pet's sake!! Why do you misread almost the same words I am using too !?
10.
Because the show IS for everyone, the whole family IS watching it! How can you then put in the show what is offensive for this family?! This family is not Dutch but Arab; there are differences, we like it or not! In the US Walt Disney does not make a movie for the whole family and then tells to the same family: you may not like some parts - then you need to turn your TV off - keep the remote ready!
11.
Shahinaz refusing to wear what R.Saad asked : it was in the dailies, if I remember right, before the 6th prime, with a compromise achieved. I did not see the same problem Shada had last year.
12.
The soft expletives: I agree, the concept is the same even with a different expression; so why not to call a spade - the spade? I added, the understatement is always possible, and, in this case would have been, perhaps, a better choice.
13.
Protecting youngsters on the forum: it is not possible, majority lives in the US where much worse behavior these "youngsters" witness almost daily.
14.
Mirhan's offer: I am referring to the talks they had after the nomination, not at the general self-introduction.
15.
If you could watch her carefully, in all materials available, you could see that Asma was not "in love." The female commentators on the forum, close to her age, have the best intuition about her "state," and were denying the same. Also, under the circumstances were she was, it would be ridiculous to believe that anyone of her age can "fall in love."
16.
You rhetorical question can be turned around: is Mirhan related to you in any way?
17.
Keeping Zaher around, instead Asma: I agree, for the same reason Khaled was kept.
18.
The way Saad treated Asma: we are on the opposite ends - there is no compromise.
19.
Coupling Asma and Shahi: no one ever said it was an injunction; you are off the tangent.
This being at random: I can not enlighten you, if you are not ready for it. . We are on the opposite ends - there is no compromise.
20.
Asma asking for advice in singing: I do not know, they did not show it. About her idea of her abilities: we are on the opposite ends - there is no compromise.
21.
What’s to be taken literally and what isn’t: some words, or expletives, can be used metaphorically, and the speaker never has to signal when; it can be grasped from the context what part of the meaning is implied. If you do not accept this explanation, then, you are really stubborn!
22.
Mirhan's hesitation: if her conscientiousness was clear she would not have felt put in the spot; the students do not wait the last second to consider their vote.
23.
My or Mirhan's family taking part in the show: I knew what you meant; I chose to reply as I did because I did not want to go in the smear campaign issue. But if you insist, I'll do it in the closing statement (as it comes at the end). I am not a misogynist, quite the opposite.
24.
The foreigners in the StarAc: the French show gathers students from the francophone world, I am aware of that; yet, the position of France in that world is very different from that one of Lebanon, it is the central position.
25.
The French girl's family: I do not know the details, but am sure it was more loving and protective than Asma's. You will now ask for the facts, info: all I get is from what the LBC let us, and from he general framework.
26.
Asma kidnapped: I am not saying that, just that any 16 year old girl - under these circumstances! - would react in a more or less unpredictable or similar way.
27,
The opportunities: it all evaporates after the tour. Just getting a job can be achieved in many other ways without going through the show.
28.
Shada as exception: please, for you the "stars" are some Zizi, Sally, Ahmad ... Who are they?! Of course, I remember the former StarAc candidates with these names, but today ?... The "stars" are the guests in the primes; Cheb Khaled, for instance. Also, being famous and a star is not the same (and H.Kissinger is not a star). The only real stars in the pop music the show has produced are Bahaa, Amani, Joseph, and more than anyone Shada; that is what I meant. On and off you can hear about Bashar, Hani, Hanaa, and now even about Qamah; but others? ...
29.
You were using the phrase "do not start on" two (or 3) times. It reminded me of the politicians and their incantations, like "Here he goes again!" over and over.
30.
The "dirty game" we are watching: I am not watching it anymore; neither I care for the StarAc in the future. The show has changed beyond recognition. I really do not care to exercise weekly my patience with these mambooo-jamboooo "songs." As for your good advice, I do not have to use the "little button" as it is not even on.
31.
Shahi and opera: chronologically the first statement is more affirmative than the second one, and you might have impression there are some facts - but only if you are disregarding the possibility that one is expressing one's opinion, as entitled if one is watching the show and listening. I would say that you are right: there may be some ambiguity - if you are not willing to make an educated guess about it. Expressing one's opinion is not condescending.
32.
Making assumptions about people we do not know: by listening, watching Mirhan, or any other StarAc student you can get some opinion about them, and by extension some about their background. As with any opinion based on the relatively limited info, we should stay open for the corrections. You pretend that an opinion is there and definite, or there is not. I can spend next ten years with her family, and my observation of them, or anyone, the "opinion," is bound to be changing all the time. If you think that an opinion comes in a moment of time as an enlightenment, I'll let you go on in believing it.
33.
Seeing the positive side of the StarAc: yes, I do not see anymore much "positive" about the show. You can call it exaggeration, if you wish.

Major points:

1.
Preaching basic human decency: the idea is abstract and devoid of much content. This is also a value. You can express your values as an American, or European, or Arab, Chinese ... But not as an abstract "human being." You cannot sit on all the chairs at the same time. The "basic human decency" sounds nice, but has no content, it is always in context of some civilization.

You are bedeviling me and you do not know me (the written materials you have received from me so far are not enough to enable you to read between the lines), and, on the other hand, you are attacking me for the same reason (that I do not know anything about Mirhan and am expressing my disapproval of her) !?

2.
You are champion of one underdog and I am of the other one; their roads have crossed. Therefore, we can not reach any compromise. I am not going to sue the LBC as it would be not good for Asma.

Epilogue

You are aware of the public eye. Somebody who by own choice becomes a public figure is in the public eye and should be ready for the criticism, praises or tomatoes, or anything between. Public has the right because the public person is a reflection of the public. This is not a "smear campaign!" Both public men and women are subjected to this. If not happy with the exposure and the scrutiny, the public person should go back to the private life. Apparently this is not Mirhan's intention: she already has the "mirhanstar-dot-com." Whatever she does will be under the public scrutiny. I am the public too, and my little revolt on the little forum might be just the beginning of judgments about her public persona. If she were a private person I would like her, if ever I have met her.

Regards,

Abdulaziz